Definitely Kobe Bryant.
I’ve certainly argued with my share of NBA fans across the Youtube-verse, Twitter-space, Facebook groups, and Quora spaces, but by far the most ignorant, casual and uneducated fans I’ve had the displeasure of dealing with are Kobe fans.
They are probably the most infuriating most brainwashed people this side of Trump supporters or mainland Chinese wumaos. To them, Kobe is a demi-god who can do no wrong, that never gets any blame and they have a mountain of excuses for him whenever he has a bad game or loses (i.e he had drama, he was injured, his teammates sucked etc), and he’s in the GOAT conversation.. just because.
I have a lot of Kobe fan BS screenshotted as proof. Let’s go over some of them:
Here’s a common one.. FG% and stats don’t matter (except when Kobe scores 60/70/80+ points then it matters!). Ok.. care to give any reasons why they don’t matter? Care to give examples what Kobe’s intangibles were instead of just saying it? I would imagine a guy with such intangibles wouldn’t have missed the playoffs in his prime and would have gotten past the first round without Shaq or Gasol.. just saying.
They only say “triple double nonsense” because Kobe wasn’t good at getting triple doubles. They say ‘stats don’t matter’ but then hype up all the games where Kobe scored a lot of points. Contradiction anyone?
Him having the same moves as Jordan must mean he’s just as good as Jordan right?
Do you know any other player where they hype up something like this 12 years later? He gets a ball waved in front of his face. Whoopity doo. And it still gets remembered. This is what I mean when I say Kobe is the most overhyped superstar ever. If Kobe took a shit in a porta potty it would get anniversaries 20 years later right?
This is another one that gets anniversaries. Him making 2 free throws on a torn achilles. First of all Kobe is an 84% FT% shooter so making 2 free throws isn’t out of the ordinary for him and secondly making free throws doesn’t require much movement of your heel. If he was dunking on a torn achilles that’s a different story. It’s not that special as people think.
John Havlicek has more points than Bird, more rings than Jordan, more Finals MVPs than Karl Malone, more All-Def teams than Dwight, more All-NBA selections than Curry, why isn’t he top 10 all time?
You will see Kobe fans use quotes a lot. See, because they have a lack of statistical evidence (except for all the ‘scoring explosions’ in the regular season) and a lack of awards (except for rings) they bring up a bunch of quotes, the 5 rings and the reg season scoring numbers up a lot. That’s all they have.
All inaccurate or misleading. Jordan was choosing based on who would beat him 1v1, not in a 5v5 game and he only said that because he said Kobe stole all his moves. Larry Bird only picked Kobe to play with and said Kobe was a winner, because this is from a 2012 interview before Lebron won any rings. Also in that same interview Bird said that Lebron was the most dominant player in the league by far, but they completely omit that part and focus on the part where he picked Kobe. Magic, Shaq, Wade etc may have picked Kobe over Lebron at various points in the past but have since changed their minds to Lebron. You can’t take a quote from a player in 2012 and then say oh that means Kobe is better than Lebron NOW after Lebron has won 4 rings since then. An example of how Kobe fans warp the facts.
Spoken like a true casual. In what world is Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Derek Fisher, Trevor Ariza the ‘worst’ team in the NBA?
Kobe fans so desperate to fit him in the GOAT convo. Look, you can’t be the GOAT of your sport if there is a player (Jordan) that is strictly superior in every way at your position. It just doesn’t make sense.
Not only is this picture photoshopped, but Kobe has a losing record vs Lebron head to head. Lebron averages 28/8/7 on 48% shooting and is 16–6 vs Kobe head to head. Kobe averages 24/5/5 on 44% shooting in those matchups. Kobe fans really like to make stuff up eh?
Wow so Kobe dropped 55 on old Jordan. What an accomplishment. What about Allan Houston dropping 53 on Kobe that same season? Is Houston better than Kobe then? David Robinson scored 71 points in a game, Jordan didn’t. Robinson is better? Karl Malone scored more points than Kobe and Jordan so is he better?
A lie. I see this from Kobe fans all the time. Kobe never averaged 40 PPG in any playoffs. His playoff average high was 33 PPG in 2007. Nor did Kobe ever average 40 PPG in any playoff series. It’s just more made up BS that’s all.
This might be one of the worst posts I’ve ever seen. All delusional BS here.
First of all Kobe played half of his career post hand checking rules changes.
Secondly, why the hell is his rape case and org instability made into some sort of positive for Kobe? Kobe caused those things himself.
Thirdly, Kobe most certainly did NOT win 2 rings on his own – in fact he couldn’t even get out of the first round until Lakers traded for Gasol.
Fourthly, I hate how Kobe fans reward him for being inefficient saying it’s because he took ‘tough shots’ here’s an idea – how about not taking any tough shots and being more efficient? If I shot 10% in a pickup game I can just say ‘oh I took alot of tough shots, not my fault’ and get praised for it?
Fifthly, Kobe never had scoring explosions in the playoffs. There’s a reason for that.. it’s because the defenses got tighter in the playoffs and he was facing tougher teams there. All those regular season scoring stuff doesn’t mean a thing. And ironically they like to hate on Lebron for stat padding – if shooting 40+ times in a game against a bad team isn’t stat padding then I don’t know what is.
Sixthly, Phil Jackson gave him the biggest green light out of any superstar so to say he held Kobe back is digusting.
Lastly, the ‘killer instinct’ stuff is just buzzwords that have no substance behind it. All his scoring achievements are regular season only, and he most definitely did not win 2 rings by himself.
Typical example of a brainwashed Kobe fan. Whatever Kobe does if he wins its ALL him (pretend Shaq + Gasol didnt exist) and whenever he loses then it’s his teammates or he had injuries not his fault. Meanwhile for Lebron it’s the opposite – whenever Lebron loses it’s all his fault he got locked up choked etc if he won then it was his teammates who saved his legacy or he was stat padding etc doesn’t count or it was weak east or bubble ring etc gotta discredit him as much as possible.
Prime example here is when he said Kobe ‘destroyed’ the Spurs and Lebron was ‘locked up’ by the Spurs.
Kobe vs Spurs in 2004: 26/6/6/46% = ‘destroyed’ Spurs + Bruce Bowen
Lebron vs Spurs in 2014: 28/8/4/57% = ‘locked up’ by Spurs + Kawhi
So given all the guards that dropped their career highs on him (Gilbert Arenas, Jeremy Lin, Allan Houston, Stephon Marbury) you’re telling me that Kobe didn’t guard ANY of them? When he’s a 12x All-Def player?
First of all notice how Kobe fans always have to bring up the 62 in 3 quarters and 81 points like a broken record. Secondly, imagine if Lebron shot 46 times in a game.. he’d be accused of stat padding for sure. There’s just way more Lebron haters than Kobe haters that’s why you hear people say Lebron stat pads more.. nobody credible says this, just twitter haters. You don’t stat pad your way to 10 Finals and 4 FMVPs. It’s just a convenient way to hate on a player you don’t like, just like ‘bubble ring’.
First of all Kobe fans seem to think whenever he loses he always had Smush + Kwame. Lol he played with those guys only 2 seasons out of a 20 year career.
Secondly.. Lebron dropped 40 on Kobe including the game winner in his face.. and this was when Lebron had Zydrunas as his second best player and Kobe had Gasol…
So basically Finals games are the only ones where the losses count? Lebron has the most playoff wins ever that doesn’t count?
More lies. First of all it’s definitely not true that more NBA players think Kobe is better than Lebron.
Lebron ranked ahead of Kobe – back before Lebron won his 4th ring!
So notice how all these Kobe fans say ‘majority’ of NBA players think he’s better and never give any proof of this?
Secondly no media did NOT hate on Kobe in fact they gave him a bunch of free All-Def selections even when he wasn’t playing any defense. Lebron on the other hand.. whenever anyone says anything remotely negative about Lebron media posts about it. Brian Windhorst says that Lebron ‘wears out teams’? They spread it everywhere. Rodman says he can lock down Lebron? They spread it everywhere. Dr J says that Lebron isn’t in his top 5? Spread it everywhere. Lebron posts ‘keep the energy’ and then misses the playoffs? Media makes fun of him. Lebron posts a covid joke? Kareem and everyone else come out to make fun of him and media spreads these quotes everywhere. See, since did the media love Lebron? Media has hated on Lebron ever since The Decision.
Meanwhile I have not seen a single piece of negative news the media has said about Kobe since his retirement in 2016. Even less so after his tragic passing.
Thirdly, ‘Lebron’s media team members’ are really just analysts who recognize that Lebron is greater than Kobe. That doesn’t mean they have to be Lebron fanboys. Does Kareem have a bunch of media fanboys then? cause he’s also ranked ahead of Kobe higher on their lists.
See these Kobe fans are so delusional and in denial, they genuinely live in their own world where it’s an echo chamber they all think Kobe was robbed of MVP and belongs in the GOAT convo and then someone outside of their bubble tells them otherwise they say there’s a conspiracy against Kobe. You can’t make this stuff up.
This is just a snippet of how many delusional Kobe fans there are out there, but you’ll notice all of their arguments are based on very shallow stuff like quotes from NBA players, scoring numbers in reg season, 5 rings, ‘mamba mentality and work ethic etc’, gives him ALL the credit whenever he wins, but gets NONE of the blame whenever he loses, add on some conspiracy theories about him being robbed of MVP, puts him in the GOAT convo based on emotional arguments only and add on to that some made up BS sometimes. This is the typical Kobe fan. All emotion, no factual evidence or substance. That’s why they’re the worst fans in the NBA.