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Why do some overseas Chinese really dislike the mainland Chinese?

A bunch of reasons. Me and my parents left mainland China 20 years ago to immigrate to Canada. My younger brother was born in Canada. So we are Western-educated. However, I wouldn’t say I’m “brainwashed” by Western media as Chinese people would say. I’ve visited China on several occasions, and have mainland Chinese friends.

Here’s my problems with most mainland Chinese (not all mainland Chinese because you can’t paint 1.3 billion people with a broad brush)

-they talk/argue too loudly. Mandarin isn’t a language that requires you to talk loud. Taiwanese people for example, speak Mandarin normally. I speak Mandarin normally at normal levels. My parents do as well. You don’t need to shout or argue all the time.

-they are too prideful and nationalistic. see my answer here: Tong Zou’s answer to Is the CCP encouraging the rise of Chinese nationalism?

-they talk down about other Asian countries (Korea, Japan) for no good reason, its as if they were educated and brainwashed to dislike other Asians or something without ever acquainting themselves with those people.

-they show off too much and care too much about money. expensive brands, expensive cars, jewelry, etc. too materialistic. This is ‘face culture’. If you look at all the richest people in the world (Bill Gates, Warren Buffet etc) you will notice one thing they have in common is that they don’t show off. Money is just a means. It’s not something to judge someone on. I mean, I had half a million dollars in net worth last year, but I lost it all this year in that QuadrigaCX cryptocurrency scam (see here: Software Engineer Loses Life Savings in Quadriga Imbroglio) . Will a Chinese person look at me differently now? because I haven’t changed as a person. just my net worth. Then again, this is more of a Western culture thing that you should pursue your happiness rather than money.

-they don’t care about their appearance enough. Ironically, despite spending money on expensive products, they actually don’t know how to dress well, or match clothing. Chinese women will wear those dorky glasses even knowing that they look much better without them, or go outside without makeup, it’s as if they give zero F’s about what they look like. Sometimes I think they dress ugly on purpose or something.

-they don’t care about others. I’ve noticed this whenever I go to China. It’s everybody out for themselves. People are not as closely tight knit as they are in Korea/Japan. It’s hard to trust people in China.

These are not only my thoughts but also my parents as well, as they generally agree with what I’ve mentioned so far.

Is the CCP encouraging the rise of Chinese nationalism?

I’m not sure if the CCP actually encourages extreme nationalism, but it certainly isn’t doing much to prevent it.

Since the opening of the Beijing Olympics in 2008 I feel that Chinese have gotten considerably more prideful and dare I say, arrogant since then.

I can only speak from personal anecdotes. I’ve seen Chinese people and Western people living in China post the most biased answers on Quora, upvoted 1k+ times by other Chinese nationalists. This is only the segment of Chinese who are either abroad or using a VPN (since Quora is banned in China), I can only imagine what it’s like on Zhihu.

You can do a search on Quora: notice that all the answers regarding China written by Chinese that have massive amount of upvotes have something the lines of:

[shows pictures of China’s high speed rail system and skyscrapers] -> China’s the best country! we have the best technology! see, there’s no poverty here at all!

[shows pictures of Chinese food] -> China has the best food! way better than Japan/Korea! etc

One poster even went out his way to search for the ugliest pictures of Korean/Japanese school uniforms he could find, and the best pictures of Chinese uniforms he could find, to show that Chinese school uniforms were actually ‘prettier’ (he failed, they still looked worse).

And from personal experiences, it seems that Chinese almost never miss a chance to praise their technology, development, food, women, etc especially at the expense of either America, Korea, Japan or Taiwan. Whenever one of those countries have an issue, Chinese jump on it.

Korea president goes to jail? we never have that problem! Our country is perfectly stable! Taiwan and Japan economy declining? Well that’s because our country is better! USA having issues with Trump? Well we don’t elect our leaders so we don’t have that problem!

And they rationalize the CCP’s blanket decisions by thinking in the extreme. Ban on sex/violence/too much video game playing? It’s so that we don’t have a country of sex-addicted criminals! Censorship on social media? its for a more stable country just look at the chaos in the US! Everything is justified by thinking in the extreme. It’s actually not unlike how in the US, Republicans justify their expensive healthcare by assuming that anything socialist will lead the country to become like Venezuela or that any firearm restrictions will turn the whole country into a crime riddled dystopia like Chicago.

Also don’t forget: Korea and Japan stole everything from China, and they are US puppets. Chinese never miss a chance to put down other countries, even if those countries never provoked them, even if they never talked to any Korean/Japanese before and personally I’ve never met a Korean/Japanese person who insulted any Chinese person, but Chinese cannot pass up a chance to assert their superiority.

Of course Chinese also say ‘but Americans brag about themselves all the time too and are nationalistic too, so we can be like that too’. Hmm. I thought Chinese didn’t want to be like America. Oh wait.. biggest income inequality gap in Asia, likes to be bullies to their neighbors, almost no traditional Chinese clothing in favor of casual Western style clothing, everyone for themself culture, thinks that their political system and culture is the best.. China is almost exactly like America.

Now where I have a problem is that Chinese people can’t seem to take any kind of criticism of their country well, they perceive everything as an insult, and are way too sensitive to any kind of feedback. I’ve had so many Chinese collapse my answers and comments on Quora, for no other reason other than because it was ‘anti-Chinese’ (really? my parents are Chinese FYI, since when is using empirical evidence + trying to be unbiased “anti-Chinese”?)

Tong Zou’s answer to What do you dislike the most about Chinese people? I’ve already gone over this here.

So look it’s ok to have pride in your country and achievements, but I just wish Chinese would tone it down a little. Arrogance was the main reason why they had that ‘century of humiliation’ last time. If this continues, it seems like it will happen again.

It’s ok to be humble about your achievements. But I’ve never met a Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese that boasts about their country and achievements as often or as voraciously as mainland Chinese people do. And although Chinese like to say Americans are arrogant and nationalistic, you will notice a lot of Americans don’t like their country these days either. The USA is split between half of which support the current President and half of which hate his guts. On the other hand, I think something like 80–85% of Chinese people support Xi Jinping and the CCP. quite a big difference from the 35% that support Trump in the USA.

If I had to guess, I think the extreme nationalism is not solely because of CCP propaganda and education but an overcompensation for the century of humiliation and the Mao-era where China was far behind other powers. Now that China has caught up – Chinese people have been so caught up in the rapid progress of their country that they express their patriotism (i.e extreme patriotism is nationalism) in extreme ways, and are very defensive about it.

-my 2 cents from interacting with Chinese-Canadians, Chinese-Americans, mainland Chinese, Hong Kong Chinese, Taiwanese, Koreans, Japanese, Americans etc  btw keep this answer saved. It might be collapsed by Quora soon as well. Quora is surprisingly pro-Chinese, which you will notice in which answers gets upvoted the most and which answers get collapsed the most.

Why do so many Chinese Americans support the Republican Party’s often-racist doctrines?

Because Chinese are pretty in line with Republican policies:

-Chinese are racist. We don’t like dark skinned people

-Chinese don’t like affirmative action, since it works against us

-Chinese don’t like illegal immigration. Almost all of us are legal immigrants.

-Chinese believe marriage should only be between man and woman. No LGBT support.

-Chinese don’t like drugs

-Chinese don’t like abortions

-Chinese are fiscal conservatives

-Chinese are selfish and don’t like to share their money with others

-Chinese hate political correctness

-Chinese love strong leaders like Trump and Putin (like Xi)

-Chinese believe in traditional gender roles and family values

So, Chinese vote Republican