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  • Why do some people believe that Kobe was a better basketball player than LeBron and Jordan, despite not having the same level of accomplishments?

    Because they are uneducated and/or subject to fanboyism / idol worship that’s why.

    Let’s be clear here.. nobody who is actually knowledgeable about basketball would put Kobe on the same level as Jordan or Lebron in terms of accomplishments.

    Kobe has 1 MVP and wasn’t the best player for most of his championships, these two things alone put him out of the argument accomplishments wise.

    That’s why the argument that Kobe fanboys make is based on emotional arguments and subjective arguments. ie. he was more skilled, he worked harder, he had mamba mentality, other NBA players said he was the best they ever seen etc.

    Or they say he’s the closest to Jordan (in terms of skillset) which does NOT mean he ranks right after Jordan in accomplishments.

    So none of this is actually related to accomplishments, these are all subjective measurements. I’m sure Kobe is one of the most skilled players ever, but that’s not what we rank players on else guys like Kyrie and Iverson would be quite high on all time rankings right? And often times what other NBA players say is because they personally idolized Kobe or they played against him thus they rank him higher.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2023/12/28/allen-iverson-explains-jordan-kobe-bryant-atop-goat-list-lebron-james

    Why does Iverson rank Kobe higher than Lebron? It’s because Iverson respected Kobe as a fierce competitor and because he played against Kobe more often he has a personal bias for ranking Kobe higher.

    https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/2023/11/29/former-lakers-forward-trevor-ariza-says-kobe-bryant-is-the-best-player-ever/

    Let’s look at Trevor Ariza, a former Kobe teammate. He says Kobe is his GOAT because he idolized him.

    However, this doesn’t mean Kobe should be in the GOAT convo just because some NBA players put him higher tho.. because as mentioned, these are all based on subjective opinions and not on objective achievements like stats and awards. I’ve never heard an NBA player rank Kobe higher than Lebron based on anything objective; it’s always based on something emotional or a bias or fanboyism.

    This is why analysts (who use objective metrics like stats/awards) will always put Lebron higher than Kobe all time.

    For me, I always rank players objectively according to what they accomplished on the court. How many championships did they win as one of the main guys? How many MVPs, FMVPs, DPOYs, All-NBA selections, All-Def, etc how many PPG, RPG, APG, FG%, etc did they average in the reg season + playoffs? What’s their career totals like?

    I don’t base my GOAT on things like how many 50/60 pt scoring ‘explosions’ they had in the reg season, or how many 50+ win teams they beat, or how many rings they won without a top 75 player, or how ‘skilled’ they are etc that to me is all nonsense and you can make any argument for any player using these subjective metrics. I mean by that metric I can say Ben Wallace should be in any top 10 all time because he beat a superteam of Shaq, Kobe, Payton and Malone in the Finals as the ONLY all-star on his team that year. He beat 4 Hall of famers as the only all-star in the Finals that’s something even Jordan never did! What about Dirk he beat Bron, Wade, Bosh, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Gasol AND Kobe in one playoff run Or maybe Isiah Thomas should be top 10 all time cause he beat Jordan, Bird AND Magic in the playoffs! Or Hakeem cause he beat Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Robinson, Shaq and Penny in one playoff run as the only all-star! or maybe Bernard King should be ranked much higher cause he averaged 34 PPG in a playoffs run something that Kobe never accomplished! Maybe Rick Barry should be top 10 too because he averaged 41 PPG in a Finals and also swept 2 HoFers in the Finals as the only all star… you see what I’m getting at? If we cherry-pick stuff like this we can make arguments for nearly any all time great to be in the GOAT convo right?

    This is why ranking players has to be on objective metrics like stats and awards. Not subjective or emotional

    Edit: that’s not even mentioning the fact that basing your GOAT case on opinions from other players is never going to reliable since opinions are always changing and volatile. For example, Shaq and Pierce who previously had Kobe above Lebron, have called Lebron the GOAT after he broke Kareem’s scoring record.

  • What was Kobe Bryant’s impact on basketball?

    He’s definitely one of the most popular players ever – either #1 or #2 after Jordan. I think he may be even more popular than Jordan because Jordan opened up basketball globally and Kobe really peaked in the era where China was getting into basketball after Yao Ming and Kobe’s popularity skyrocketed there in the most populated country. Certainly more people around the globe have watched Kobe play than Jordan play as basketball was a more global sport during Kobe’s era.

    He also inspired an entire generation of players with his hard work ethic and ‘mamba mentality’ – every player from Kyrie Irving to Devin Booker to Jayson Tatum have credited Kobe with some kind of inspiration.

    That said, I’ve always been rather perplexed about Kobe’s legacy because of how popular he is in addition to his sudden and tragic passing, he really is probably the most overhyped and overrated player I’ve ever seen.

    So I’m posting this on “Mamba Day” (8/24)

    This is a day where every sports page posts Kobe highlights and moments and praises him like no tomorrow – one day after Kobe’s bday, another day where everyone posts about Kobe. Then Kobe gets anniversaries for all his greatest moments – 81 points, sinking FTs on a torn achilles, heck even a minor non basketball moment like Matt Barnes shoving a ball in his face gets remembered every year:

    See how this is getting ridiculous? No one other player I’ve seen gets this much hype almost constantly for even the smallest things.

    Don’t forget NBA 2K labeling an entire era the ‘Kobe era’ even though Shaq/Duncan won more rings as the best player during that era (predictably, everyone online ignores that and instead complains that Curry doesnt get his own era with Lebron):

    And if I point out that everyone overhypes and glazes Kobe all the time, I get called ‘Kobe hater’ and ironically I get called ‘Bronsexual / Bron glazer’ because I defend Lebron from all this ridiculous hate, slander and misinformation about Lebron online. Yet for Kobe nobody says anything when he literally gets praised all the time by everybody, he gets the all the credit whenever he wins, and his teammates get all the blame or there’s excuses about injuries etc whenever he loses. It’s pretty infuriating sometimes.

    I mean, this is a guy that a lot of people put in the GOAT convo all the time – or right behind Jordan all time.. yet he gets none of the scrutiny Lebron gets.

    So yeah this is the real problem I have with Kobe’s legacy: He’s one of the top 10–15 greatest players of all time if you objectively look at his career, yet virtually everyone online thinks he’s a top 5 player ever because all you see online is endless praise about him and highlights from his best moments while never talking about his negative moments or his failures. It’s one of the most lopsided appraisals of an athlete I’ve seen in any sport. The amount of adulation Kobe gets is close being a demi-god or something.

    Just to show you some of the double standards between Lebron and Kobe online I’ll illustrate it via memes (the language that casuals online can understand):

  • Who is the greatest NBA power forward who has never been the best power forward in that league?

    Well that’s interesting I would say from my reserves of NBA history here’s what I would consider the best power forward in the NBA during each era:

    1950–1955: Dolph Schayes

    1955–1965: Bob Pettit

    1965–1969: Jerry Lucas

    1969–1980: Elvin Hayes

    1980–1985: Larry Bird (yes Bird played PF during his early years)

    1985–1988: Kevin McHale

    1988–1993: Charles Barkley

    1993–2000: Karl Malone

    2000–2004: Tim Duncan

    2004–2007: Kevin Garnett

    2007–2011: Dirk Nowitzki

    2011–2015: Blake Griffin (or Lebron if you want to be technical about him playing PF in MIA)

    2015–2018: Anthony Davis

    2018-now: Giannis

    So yeah that’s generally your list of all time power forwards, but who’s the best PF after these guys? I’ll probably go with one of these two guys (both underrated):

    Spencer Haywood

    You might be wondering who is this guy.. well in his prime he was pretty much a freak. Very strong, deadly scorer from the inside and a great rebounder too, the first superstar for the Sonics who was All-NBA 4 times, averaged 25/12 for the Sonics.

    The other guy is Chris Webber

    Like Haywood, he had a short but dominant prime, 5x All-NBA player who averaged 23/10/5 for the Kings. Webber not only had the whole scoring and rebounding package, but he’s probably one of the most gifted passers I’ve seen from that position.

    https://youtu.be/lhYzuQoXjdg

    I even have a video comparing the two… but yeah I think it’s probably one of these two.

  • Who is the greatest NBA player who has never been the best basketball player in the world?

    Define best basketball player in the world. Usually when a player wins MVP they are considered top in the league. When a player wins FMVP there could be arguments they are the best player in the world – they just won a championship while being their teams best player. So then I suppose my answer is who is the greatest basketball player who has never won MVP or FMVP?

    I’ll probably have to go with CP3. I personally have him ahead of other contenders like John Stockton, Jason Kidd and Walt Frazier. He’s an all time leader, all time passer, great shooter, great defender, made every team he’s on better, and yet he’s never won either MVP or a championship, due to a variety of circumstances some of them bad luck some of them were indeed chokejobs. Still, I think very highly of him and I think he deserved at least 1 MVP during his career for how much he’s uplifted his teams.

  • How can you tell if an NBA player is bad or if they are just on a bad team?

    Well by ‘bad’ do you mean they don’t have much playoff success? Or that their stats are bad? If their stats are bad and they are on a bad team, then that’s pretty convincing proof that player is not very good. However if they put up nice stats and are a star on a bad team, then that’s something else. Either they are just the best player on a bad team, or they are legit stars that need better pieces around them.

    Like there’s players like Kevin Love or Demarcus Cousins or Kyrie Irving who put up nice stats but never made a playoffs being the main star on their team. That’s an example of players who cannot be primary stars but can potentially be nice supporting co-stars.

    Then there’s players like Pau Gasol, Mitch Richmond, T-mac, Chris Bosh who put up nice stats, made the playoffs, but couldn’t get past the first round as the main star. These are guys who have hall of fame potential but are just not on very good teams. Put them on a good team and their careers become quite different.

    Then there’s players like Clyde Drexler or Dwight Howard who are a tier above that who have good teams, can lead their team to the Finals as the main star but can’t really win once there.

    Then obviously you have guys who put up nice stats and are on good teams like Magic and Bird and Kareem and these guys are obviously hall of famers.

    So that would be the 4 tiers of stars I would say, here let’s use a group of PFs as an analogy:

    Kevin Love tier – can’t lead team to playoffs as main star

    Pau Gasol tier – can lead team to playoffs as main star but can’t go deep

    KG tier – can lead team deep into playoffs or into Finals as main star but can’t win

    Duncan tier – can lead team to a championship (and yes Duncan has done this with subpar teams like in 2003)

  • Who is the best point guard in the 1990s decade: John Stockton, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, or Tim Hardaway?

    A close one between Stockton and Payton. Stockton was and is considered to be probably the best passer in NBA history outside of Magic Johnson. Even if we take away his symbiotic relationship with Malone, there’s still a case to be made. Him, Isiah, CP3 all are good candidates to be the best passer after Magic.

    Payton was overall probably the better player. Stockton was rather limited offensively. Of course, the Jazz had two other great scorers in Malone and Jeff Hornacek but Stockton just didn’t have the ability to create his own shots the way Payton, Hardaway, KJ, Penny, Isiah, Magic etc did. He had an efficient and effective jump shot from the perimeter, and that’s really it. He wasn’t driving in or cutting the same way KJ or Isiah or Hardaway or Iverson would that’s for sure.

    So I’m going to answer specifically as who was the best point guard (not overall player) in the 1990s.. that was John Stockton.

    So my top 10 PG list would probably go for the 1990s:

    1. John Stockton (9x All-NBA during the 90s)
    2. Gary Payton (6x All-NBA during the 90s)
    3. Tim Hardaway (5x All-NBA during the 90s)
    4. Kevin Johnson (4x All-NBA during the 90s)
    5. Penny Hardaway (3x All-NBA during the 90s)
    6. Mark Price (3x All-NBA during the 90s)
    7. Magic Johnson (2x All-NBA during the 90s)
    8. Isiah Thomas (3x All-Star during the 90s)
    9. Jason Kidd (1x All-NBA during the 90s)
    10. Rod Strickland (1x All-NBA during the 90s)