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  • Why do Bron haters discredit his finals appearances saying they are ‘participation trophies’? Do we discredit silver medals in the Olympics?

    Bron haters are idiots.

    It’s no more or less than that, they don’t understand how sports works. They think that if you are not #1 and didn’t win a championship or a gold medal, then you suck and might as well have not competed at all.

    Well in Bron’s case it’s even worse than that because losing in the Finals is apparently even worse than not making the playoffs since Bron haters only count Finals losses as ‘real’ losses.

    The Finals record debate like saying it’s better to not make the Olympics than to have a silver medal.

    Basically that’s what they are implying with the Finals record BS argument. And it’s unfortunate that so many people online use this argument, because it’s absolutely terrible argument and completely illogical and against why people play sports. You play for a chance to win. You can’t just not participate because you are afraid of not coming in first, or not winning gold.

  • Why do some Kobe fans see LeBron as a threat to Kobe’s legacy, and how does that affect their view of him as a Laker?

    It’s not some Kobe fans.. it’s 99% of them lol.

    And let’s keep something in mind first.. Kobe generally respected and admired Lebron heck his last tweet before he passed away was congratulating Lebron on passing his scoring record!

    But Kobe fans don’t care about this – why do Kobe fans hate Bron so much? Simple, because Bron is a better player than Kobe is and Bron is put ahead of Kobe in GOAT convos. (for a similar reason Jordan fans hate Bron too but they are slightly less delusional because Jordan has legit arguments to be ahead of Bron, unlike Kobe).

    This makes Kobe fans enraged, so they spend a lot of time posting Lebron hate and amplifying all the negatives about Lebron so that they can convince others that Kobe was the better player (in large part they have succeeded judging from all the brainwashing done online). So they endlessly post about Kobe’s 50/60 pt games, highlight his ‘mamba mentality’, his ‘clutch’ abilities and ‘killer instinct’ and ‘toughness’ and ‘loyalty’ and saying he’s a ‘winner’ while Lebron is a ‘loser’ ‘choke artist’ ‘flop master’ ‘not loyal’ ‘jumps teams’ ‘stacks the deck to win’ etc Which of course is all misleading and exagerrated narratives meant to benefit Kobe and denigrate Lebron.

    They can’t use anything statistical because Lebron beats Kobe in nearly every stat category, so instead they focus on rings and finals records and intangibles like the mentality aspect. They purposely ignore or make excuses for all of Kobe’s bad playoff and Finals moments and instead hype up all his best moments like his regular season highlights and those WCF performances against the Kings and Spurs. Then for Lebron they purposely ignore or discredit all his best playoff moments and focus on the worst – that often being the 2007 Finals and 2011 Finals because that’s all there is really for Bron’s bad performances. It’s cherry picking to the nth degree.

    And yes, because the majority of Lakers fans are not really Lakers fans but Kobe fans, that also means the majority of Lakers fans hate Lebron as well.

    For example this “fan” is actually just a Kobe fan / Lebron hater in disguise. Imagine hating on a man who brought a championship to your city like this. His arguments don’t make any sense at all. So Bron’s supposed to play defense at 41 years old? Was Magic playing defense in his PRIME? Was Kareem and Kobe playing defense in their last seasons?? I don’t think so. Why don’t they get any flak for not playing defense? Hell why doesn’t LUKA get the same hate for not playing defense despite being the de facto Lakers star over Bron?? See, it’s just irrational hate period.

  • Why don’t the Lakers respect LeBron James? Kobe has three statues—why doesn’t LeBron, who is better, have even one? He didn’t get a farewell tour and now they won’t offer him a contract, trying to push him out.

    The Lakers never really accepted Lebron and the fanbase never accepted him because they saw him as a mercenary who went from superteam to superteam to try to win. He wasn’t ‘homegrown’ the way Magic or Kobe or West was. He didn’t spend alot of time with the Lakers like Kareem (14 seasons) or win multiple titles like Shaq. His career with the Lakers is probably most similar to Wilt Chamberlain – a certified superstar who landed on the Lakers as a way to both win more titles and to close out his career.

    • Lebron will not get a statue with the Lakers. He will almost certainly get one with Cleveland and he *should* get one with Miami too.
    • Lebron’s jersey should be retired with the Lakers though. That much I do think should happen. CLE, MIA and LAL should all retire his jersey because he won a title with every one of those franchises as the best player. That should be enough for jersey retirement.
    • The 2020 ring isn’t respected by a lot of fans because Lebron won it. I don’t care what people say, that’s not an asterisk ring. Everyone played under the same conditions how can it be an asterisk? Lakers even lost home court advantage. It’s just because Bron won it and people look for ways to discredit him as much as possible that’s why.
    • Many Lakers fans are not Lakers fans at all – they are Kobe fans. and they see Bron as threatening Kobe’s legacy. Bron was always viewed as Kobe’s rival. So these fans will never ever accept Lebron and they will hate on Bron as much as possible.
    • Lakers fans are used to winning multiple championships and going to multiple Finals. Despite Bron playing for the Lakers and still putting up decent numbers into his old age, they want to see more success from him than just that one bubble ring.
    • Because Bron has so many haters they blame Bron for everything. They blame him for being LeGM and trading away teammates. They blame him for ruining the team. They blame him for recruiting teammates as well. They blame him for sitting out games. They blame him for stat padding when he plays. They blame him for flopping. They blame him for whining. They blame him whenever his teammates don’t do well enough. They blame him if his teammates do too well and say they’re carrying him. So no matter what Bron does, he gets killed for it.

  • Is it delusional to rank Kobe Bryant as the 4th greatest basketball player (below Jordan, Lebron and Kareem)?

    I can break down Kobe’s career like this:

    1996–1998: bench player

    1999–2004: second best player on the Lakers team that went to 4 Finals and won 3 championships

    2005–2007: missed the playoffs or bounced out of first round

    2008–2010: 3 Finals in a row and a 2-peat as the best player

    2011–2013: best player but struggled in the playoffs

    2014–2016: pretty much a shell of himself at this point

    So Kobe’s top 5 argument is pretty much based on what? He was the best player on 3 Finalists and 2 championship teams. Honestly, it’s a pretty weak argument for a top 5 player when you break it down this way.

    In fact, Hakeem was the best player on 3 Finalists and 2 championship teams too – also had 1 mvp and 2 fmvps – while also being a much better defender and averaging more in the playoffs. But nobody puts Hakeem top 5 right?

    And as much as Kobe fans want to say ‘oh his 2009–2010 teams were full of scrubs’ no they weren’t and they certainly weren’t worse than what Hakeem had to carry to those Finals.

    People really need to stop putting Kobe up there – I’m certain its all because of the 5 rings, he scores a lot in the regular season, he’s the ‘closest’ to Jordan kind of BS that casuals all eat up but objectively take a look at his career and it aint it

  • What are some of the most memorable Game 7 performances in NBA history, and where does LeBron’s 2016 Finals stand among them?

    I’ll just talk about Game 7 Finals can’t get more high stakes than that right?

    1962 Finals – Bill Russell puts up 30/40/4 to clinch a close series (yes thats right FORTY rebounds) but I also have to mention Baylor’s very respectable 41/22/4 in the loss

    1966 Finals – Bill Russell puts up 25/32 to clinch the series and the 8-peat

    1969 Finals – Jerry West puts up 42/13/12 in a losing effort and wins FMVP despite the loss

    1970 Finals – Walt Frazier puts up 36/7/19 to close out the Finals and win NYK’s first title

    1974 Finals – Dave Cowens puts up 28/14/4 to close out the Finals and beats Kareem’s Bucks for their first post Russell title

    1978 Finals – The most forgotten about Game 7 Finals performance is from Marvin Webster, who puts up 27/19/1/4 despite the loss

    1984 Finals – This one I don’t see outstanding performances from any one player on either team but I’ll go with Magic’s 16/5/15/4/2 who kind of just did everything despite the loss

    1988 Finals – clearly Big Game James Worthy with a 36/16/10 to win FMVP and clinch the championship

    1994 Finals – Hakeem with 25/10/7/1/3 to win FMVP and secure Houstons first title

    2005 Finals – Duncan with 25/11/3/2 to win FMVP and the title

    2010 Finals – I’ll actually have to go with Gasol’s 19/18/4/2 because although Kobe scored 4 more points, Gasol was better in every other stat other than pure points

    2013 Finals – Bron’s 37/12/4 seals the FMVP and the repeat

    2016 Finals – Yes Bron has a great 27/11/11 in this win to finish the 3–1 comeback and win the Cavs their first title but also let me mention Draymonds underrated and forgotten 32/15/9 performance who would have certainly gotten FMVP if the Warriors had prevailed.

    2025 Finals – SGA’s 29/5/12 seals the deal and OKC’s first title

    Overall, I’d say Bron’s 2016 Game 7 performance while great – isn’t particularly outstanding stat wise given that so many all time greats have had amazing Game 7 performances. I actually think Draymond might have had an even better game to be honest and Bron had arguably an even better Game 7 Finals vs the Spurs in 2013. What makes Bron’s 2016 Game 7 more memorable is the context – completing the first 3–1 comeback in NBA Finals history against a team with the all time regular season wins.

  • What is the fastest, most reliable way to identify a “LeBron James fanboy” in a conversation about basketball?

    First of all, I think people should stop making fun of Bron fans. It’s ridiculous. Who makes fun of a fanbase just for being fans. LET THEM BE FANS. What’s wrong with that?? So just stop it with the ‘Bron fanboy’ ‘Bron glazer’ ‘Bron dick rider’ ‘Bronsexual’ etc it’s really ridiculous and annoying. No other fanbase gets treated like this. Which other fanbase in sports gets made fun of just for being a fan??

    Secondly, I find that many people are very eager to label others ‘Bron fans’ if they say anything positive about Bron or defend Bron in any way.

    Here’s an example of a typical conversation I have online:

    Bron hater: Bron is the worst loser ever! Lost the most Finals ever! Only won 4 rings in 22 seasons! got destroyed by Curry and JJ Barea! Has no bag! Won a mickey mouse ring!! Stat padder!

    Me: Well actually Jerry West lost the most Finals ever, and nobody else gets made fun of for their longevity and losing Finals and even winning rings) except for Bron, and JJ Barea didn’t even switch on Bron more than 2 times in that 2011 series…

    Bron hater: Shut up Bronsexual!! He don’t care about you! Just stop it with the Bron glazing!!

    Yeah.. this is what happens typically. They say something ridiculous and ignorant about Bron. I speak up about it. I get labeled a Bron glazer or Bronsexual – and I’m really not a Bron fan, Jordan’s my GOAT and Bron’s my #2. I just don’t like it when people say lies and ignorant shit about other players. But the problem is, more people make up lies and slander about Bron than any other player by far, and I end up having to defend Bron from these lies and slander, and many people call me a Bronsexual as a result. But that’s how it is now.

    Imagine if Kobe fans got called out for all their glazing on Kobe online… I mean these days you see even see people saying Kobe is BETTER than Jordan and BETTER than Shaq during the first 3 peat (cherry pick some WCF series here)!! gives him 100% of the credit for every ring and the 2008 Olympics etc ridiculous right?? See now THATS glazing yet nobody ever makes fun of Kobe fans. But when I defend Lebron from obvious lies and slander, that’s apparently Bron glazing, go figure.