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  • Was Elgin Baylor a better player than Julius Erving?

    No, I don’t think so. Nor do I think Baylor is a better player than Rick Barry or John Havlicek either.

    I know a lot of oldheads might disagree with me and they all think Baylor was one of the best basketball players ever, and sure he was a great individual talent, but for me just judging from the perspectives of their careers, I don’t rank him as high as others do. To me, he’s the #7 SF all time after Lebron, Bird, Dr J, KD, Havlicek and Barry.

    Here’s the reasons why Baylor’s career is dragged down:

    -Baylor never won any MVPs in his career. But Baylor was up against centers like Wilt and Russell, how could he have won any MVPs you say? Well there are 2 non centers that won MVPs during Baylor’s career – Bob Pettit in 1959 and Oscar Robertson in 1964. So how is it that Pettit and Oscar won MVPs while centers like Russell and Wilt were there? Why couldn’t Baylor have?

    -Baylor has no rings. Yes I know, he went up against Russell’s Celtics and they had a better team etc but still when you’re 0–8 in the Finals and the team does better and wins a ring after you retire, that is saying something right? Barry won a ring leading an underdog team to a championship. Dr J won 3 rings in his career – 2 in the ABA, 1 in the NBA. Havlicek was 8–0 in the Finals the exact inverse of Baylor’s Finals record. So how can I rank Baylor above those guys?

    -Baylor was not an efficient player. In fact he was a shot chucker. He averaged 23.8 FGAs in his career, which accounts for his high 27.4 PPG scoring average. But the thing is.. he averaged 43% efficiency. As much as I criticize Kobe for his inefficiency, even Kobe was 2% more efficient than Baylor! and Baylor played closer to the basket than Kobe did – he was called ‘Mr Inside’ because he played in the interior! Why was he so inefficient when he closer to the basket? His teammate Jerry West who shot mostly from the perimeter (‘Mr Outside’) was 4% more efficient than him! There’s no excuse for that.

    -Baylor was not a good defender. From watching the footage and hearing stories about him, he was lackluster on defense and didn’t make that much effort. Compared to these other SFs – Havlicek was one of the best perimeter defenders of his era. So was his teammate Jerry West. Dr J was a very solid rim protector and defender as well. Barry wasn’t great at defense but at least he was a great ball thief and led the league in steals before. Baylor has none of those defensive abilities.

    I mean, I’m not trying to hate on the guy. He’s 10x All-NBA 1st team, and averaged 13.5 RPG while being 6′5. That’s incredible. But, putting into perspective.. he’s not better than Dr J, nor alot of the other SFs I mentioned. Dr J has more MVPs, more rings, more efficient, as good of a passer and was a better defender. John Havlicek has way more rings, was more clutch, a better passer and was a better defender. Rick Barry has a ring, FMVP, was a better shooter, better passer (he played point forward which Baylor is not capable of doing), and a slightly better defender.

  • Was Dr. J the best basketball player of the 1970’s?

    I would say Kareem was the best basketball player of the 1970s, followed by Dr J talking about overall achievements. Kareem – 5 MVPs, 1 championship, 1 FMVP. Dr J – 3 MVPs, 2 championships, 2 FMVPs. Dr J of course dominated the ABA when he was at his peak.

    However, when it comes to individual seasons, it’s quite different. I’m going to rank my top 10 individual seasons from the 1970s, and the players on this list might be a surprise to some people:

    1) 1972 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – 34.8 PPG, 16.6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 57% FG%

    As great a season as any player has statistically had, Kareem just dominated his opponents in his Bucks peak and this was his best year stats wise. He accrued 25 win shares just in this one year alone. For comparison, that’s how much Andrew Toney (the Boston Strangler and offensive dynamo for the Dr J 76ers) got in his entire career.

    2) 1975 Bob McAdoo – 34.5 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 51% FG%

    Yes this is the second most impressive season from a 1970s player. McAdoo was virtually unstoppable in his prime from anywhere on the floor. McAdoo won MVP this year putting up crazy numbers, and upped his numbers to 37 PPG in the playoffs but succumbed the far more talented Unseld/Hayes Washington Bullets.

    3) 1970 Spencer Haywood – 30 PPG, 19.5 RPG, 2.3 APG, 49% FG%

    Surprised? Haywood was dominant in his prime and he was just a rookie in the ABA when he put up these jaw dropping numbers. In the playoffs he upped his averages to 37 PPG / 20 RPG and dragged a below par Denver Rockets team past the first round where they succumbed to the LA Stars.

    4) 1973 Tiny Archibald – 34.0 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 11.4 APG, 48% FG%

    In his Kings prime, Tiny put up tremendous numbers as well. He was a crafty quick scorer who despite being 6′1, led the league in both scoring and assists in the same season, still the only player to do so. This is one of the most incredible seasons for a 1970s player so I had to put it on my top 5.

    5) 1975 George McGinnis – 29.8 PPG, 14.3 RPG, 6.3 APG, 45% FG%

    Another dominant player in his prime, George McGinnis put up an MVP season and led the league in scoring, also carrying the Pacers to the Finals that year averaging 32/16/8 in the playoffs. Although not well remembered today.. McGinnis deserves to be remembered for his short but dominant prime and his championships with the Pacers. He was basically a 1970s Lebron without as much basketball IQ, and of course without the conditioning to extend his career that Lebron had.

    6) 1972 Julius Erving – 27.3 PPG, 15.7 RPG, 4.0 APG, 50% FG%

    That’s right, Dr J was dominating right from his rookie year as a Virginia Squires player. He actually had arguably his best statistical seasons as a Squires player compared to his Nets days. He actually took Rick Barry’s Nets 7 games in the playoffs – quite impressive for a rookie! And yeah Dr J didn’t make my top 5 individual seasons… surprising right?

    7) 1971 John Havlicek – 28.9 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 45% FG%

    Look at those all around numbers.. Hondo was also a beast in his prime. He did everything on the court for his team and this season I think is one of the most underrated seasons. Whenever I bring up Havlicek people just assume he was some role player on the Russell Celtics, but that’s not true. Havlicek was a superstar in his own right, 29/9/7 is not a statline from a ‘role’ player. That’s Lebron James numbers.

    8) 1979 Moses Malone – 24.8 PPG, 17.6 RPG, 1.8 APG, 54% FG%

    Well it’s clear how dominant Moses would become, but this was his first MVP year and his rebounding prowess on full display. 17 RPG? and shooting 54%? He was basically Wilt Chamberlain this year. Nobody was stopping his scoring or rebounding. And he was just 23 years old at this time.

    9) 1971 Elvin Hayes – 28.7 PPG, 16.6 RPG, 2.3 APG, 43% FG%

    As a San Diego Rocket, Elvin Hayes put up these numbers basically carrying that team, however we all know that this was not where he would find his greatest success – he would later team up with Wes Unseld the next year and start a Bullets dynasty that would reach the Finals 3 times in 5 years.

    10) TIE – 1971 Dan Issel – 29.9 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 2.0 APG, 48% FG%

    Issel as a rookie was dominant and unstoppable. He was like McAdoo an uncharacteristic big man who could also shoot from the perimeter. Of course, after Artis Gilmore arrived, they would form the first ‘twin towers’ decades before Hakeem/Sampson or Duncan/Robinson did it and win a championship together for Kentucky.

    10) TIE – 1972 Artis Gilmore – 23.8 PPG, 17.8 RPG, 2.7 APG, 60% FG%

    Funny enough, I can’t decide which rookie season was better – Issel’s or Gilmore’s and they both played on the same team! Gilmore actually won an MVP in his rookie season though, so maybe his might be a bit better, but oh well they both dominated as soon as they entered the ABA. Gilmore put up ridiculous rebounding and FG% numbers. Many people called him the Wilt of the ABA due to his size and strength.

    Honorable mentions: 1970 Connie Hawkins (25/10/5/49%), 1972 Rick Barry (31/6/7/46%), 1970 Jerry West (31/5/7/50%), 1972 Charlie Scott (33/5/5/45%), 1970 Billy Cunningham (26/14/4/47%)

  • In rankings of the greatest players for each franchise, why is Dr J considered the Net’s best player but not Mel Daniels for the Pacers?

    Whenever people make these lists of ‘greatest players for each franchise’, Dr J is inevitably considered (either him or Jason Kidd) as the best Nets player.

    (there are many articles that have Dr J for the Nets but here’s some examples):

    https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/01/11/ranking-the-greatest-player-of-all-time-from-every-nba-franchise/

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1396605-the-single-greatest-player-for-each-nba-franchise

    In other rankings, Jason Kidd comes out as the best Nets player, and I don’t have a problem with those rankings because at least they are being consistent.

    However with the articles that have Dr J ranked as the best Nets player, they are including ABA achievements to make that decision since Dr J only played for the Nets in the ABA, not the NBA.

    And if they are, then Dr J is almost certainly the Net’s best player with a Nets resume of 3x MVP, 2x Champion, 2x Finals (playoffs) MVP, 4x All ABA, 4x All-star, 3x scoring champion.

    Yet inevitably for the Pacers, Reggie Miller is always considered their best player. I understand that Reggie Miller is a 5x all star, 3x all-nba, an all time great shooter and all time clutch player and played for the franchise 18 seasons.

    But accolades seem to matter more than longevity for the franchise, else Dr J or Jason Kidd would not be considered the best Nets player – it would be Buck Williams.

    Reggie Miller unfortunately never won a championship for the Pacers, and only went to 1 Finals in his career.

    Since Dr J’s Nets career comes from the ABA, we are allowed to consider the Pacer’s ABA players as well. There are three Pacers players in ABA history who could be considered more worthy than Reggie Miller – Mel Daniels, Roger Brown, and George McGinnis.

    -Mel Daniels is a 7x All Star, 5x All-ABA, 2x MVP, 3x Rebounding leader and 3x Champion for the Pacers

    -Roger Brown is 4x All Star, 3x All-ABA, 1x Finals (playoffs) MVP and 3x Champion for the Pacers

    -George McGinnis is a 3x All Star, 3x All-ABA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals (playoffs) MVP and 2x Champion for the Pacers

    All of these guys have better Pacers resumes than Reggie Miller – they won championships for the franchise and MVP or Finals MVP (or both) for the franchise. Personally I feel Mel Daniels has the strongest case out of these three guys.

    If we’re going to count ABA awards and stats then Mel Daniels should definitely be considered the greatest Pacers player ever, over Reggie Miller.

    Why there is this inconsistency with ranking all time greats? even NBA 2K left out Roger Brown and Mel Daniels (and other ABA Pacer greats like Freddie Lewis and Bob Netolicky) off of their all time team, which is a travesty.

  • ABA players are underrated, top 10 underrated basketball players

    Another basketball post! yay! In this post I want to talk about just how underrated ABA players.

    Edit: I made a video about the top 10 underrated players here:
    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z9tVTAuHHA

    For those of you who don’t know, the American Basketball Association or ABA, was founded as an alternative league to the NBA and at that time alot of players who felt that the NBA wasn’t paying them enough or too traditional took to the ABA which had a lot of modern rules like the 3 point range, a colored ball, etc

    However, the ABA eventually merged with the NBA in 1976, but the NBA refuses to merge ABA player’s career records with the NBA, which is a disservice to former ABA players who later went to the NBA. As a result, several former great ABA players are underrated by the public both because ABA games were not readily televised back in the day, and because their career totals are not fully accounted for in the NBA.

    Some of these great players include:

    1. Mel Daniels

    Mel Daniels
    Mel Daniels

    Has anyone ever heard of Mel Daniels? Well before I looked him up I haven’t. Probably the most underrated ABA player ever. He was a 6’9 Center that played for the Indiana Pacers, his awards include:
    7 time ABA All Star
    3 time ABA champion
    2 time ABA MVP
    1 time ABA all star game MVP
    4 time All ABA first team
    ABA Rookie of the Year
    and his career averages: 18.4ppg/14.9rpg/1.8apg

    Now tell me how someone like that could be forgotten? A 3 time champion and 2 time MVP and averaged 15 rebounds a game?? My awards based ranking places him as the 30th best player of all time (!!), right between Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Arizin.

    2. Artis Gilmore

    Artis Gilmore
    Artis Gilmore

    Along with Julius Erving, probably the greatest ABA player of all time. And yet he wasn’t elected to the Hall of Fame until 2011. How is this possible? His awards:
    11 time ABA/NBA All Star
    3 time ABA champion
    1 time ABA Finals MVP
    1 time ABA MVP
    1 time ABA all star game MVP
    5 time All ABA first team
    ABA Rookie of the Year
    and averaged.. 18.8ppg/12.3rpg/2.4bpg

    My awards based ranking places him as the 36th best player of all time (!!), right between Isiah Thomas and Dwight Howard. This guy should be a top 10 center of all time, but its always left out of conversations.

    3. George McGinnis

    George McGinnis
    George McGinnis

    He was one of the most important players in the ABA along with Julius Erving, yet he isn’t even in the Hall of Fame yet! How is that possible? His awards:

    6 time ABA/NBA All Star
    2 time ABA champion
    1 time ABA MVP
    3 time All ABA first team
    and averaged.. 20.2ppg/11.0rpg/3.7apg

    How can a former MVP and 2 time champion who averaged 20/11 be forgotten?? My awards based ranking places him as the 39th best player of all time, right between John Stockton and Willis Reed.

    4. Rick Barry

    Rick Barry
    Rick Barry

    Rick Barry does get acknowledge as one of the great small forwards, but I think not enough as he deserves. Look at his awards and stats:

    12 time ABA/NBA All Star
    2 time ABA/NBA champion
    1 time NBA Finals MVP
    9 time All ABA/NBA First Team
    NBA All Star game MVP
    NBA Rookie of the Year
    1 time NBA scoring champion
    and averaged.. 24.8ppg/6.7rpg/4.9apg

    Rick Barry doesn’t get the credit he deserves. His stats and awards using my ranking makes him the 19th best player of all time, right between Karl Malone and Elgin Baylor. He has better stats than Kobe Bryant. He averaged 27 points a game in the playoffs. He lead the ABA AND NBA in scoring. He lead the Golden State Warriors to their only championship in 1975 almost by himself. He is one of the greatest players of all time, period, yet gets left off the all time nba fantasy draft. He is hardly ever mentioned by modern players. Most players place Scottie Pippen over him. Why??

    5. Connie Hawkins

    Connie Hawkins
    Connie Hawkins

    Connie Hawkins was basically another Julius Erving, except not remembered as much. Why not? He started kind of late in the NBA, due to the NBA banning him for a scandal that he wasn’t a part of, but his awards include:

    5 time ABA/NBA All Star
    1 time ABA Finals MVP
    1 time ABA MVP
    3 time All ABA/NBA First Team
    and averaged.. 18.7ppg/8.8rpg/4.1apg

    My awards based ranking places him as the 41th best player of all time, right between Willis Reed and Chris Paul. Again, no one talks about him or mentions him but the dude averaged 25/12 in the playoffs.

    Other forgotten former ABA players include
    6. Spencer Haywood, a former ABA MVP, averaged 20/10 yet isn’t in the hall of fame.
    7. Roger Brown, an all but forgotten ABA star that averaged 17/6/4 for his career.
    8. Billy Cunningham isn’t mentioned that much either, even though he is a former ABA MVP, 21/10 player, and one of the top 50 greatest of all time.
    9. David Thompson, a former ABA player who averaged 22/3/4, scored 73 points in a game before, and one of the greatest dunkers of all time, is often forgotten.
    10. Dan Issel, a 22/9 ABA player who helped Gilmore win his championship but isn’t mentioned amongst the great power forwards.