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Why Kobe and Iverson are the most overrated players

The most overrated NBA players are the ones who do mostly scoring – this is because fans overrated scoring more than any other stat by a large margin.

My two picks are Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson. These two players are extraordinarily popular for their scoring prowess. That would be good if they were a Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain – that is a high volume efficient scorer.

But they’re not. Kobe shoots 45% for his career – league average, while Iverson is worse than league average – he shoots 42%.

But its not just their inefficiency, its the fact that they are selfish players who play hero ball all the time. They have not made any of their teammates better. Kobe kicked out Shaq, and proceeded to miss the playoffs in his prime and getting bounced out of the first round. They didn’t start winning until they acquired Pau Gasol. In Kobe’s later years, he would take a massive salary after an injury, chase away key free agents, and routinely shoot them out of games. His so called “mamba mentality” and “killer instinct” has led to him becoming #1 in missed shots.

Iverson similarly couldn’t play with other star players, failed to play with Melo as a team, and just like Kobe was locker room cancer.

That these two players are so popular is beyond me, but my guess is its because fans like to root for players who are more relatable. Wilt and Lebron are physical freaks of nature and aren’t easy to relate to. Iverson and Kobe were regular sized guys who worked hard to get where they got, and fans give them an extra amount of respect for that, I think. Basketball-wise, they are overrated and proof of this is on every Youtube video where Kobe is not mentioned in the GOAT conversation (which he definitely does not belong), inevitably there will comments saying “Where’s Kobe??” “you guys disrespect Kobe!” “Kobe isn’t there, you guys don’t know basketball!!” from his rabid fanbase. Iverson similarly a lot of people put him in the top 20 players of all time. My point stands – they are overrated.

Well, Kobe is definitely on the list. If you look at ‘shots attempted’ as a statistic you’ll notice that Kobe is on there more than anybody else. However, I’ll also name a few other guys. Jordan and Wilt were both considered selfish early in their careers which they fixed later on. Elvin Hayes was considered far more selfish than his other HOF teammate Wes Unseld.

Not many selfish players I can think of in the 60s-80s era mainly because not as much iso was played back then just good old team basketball. Russell, West, Baylor, Oscar, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Dr J, Moses, Isiah, Hondo even Barry I don’t think any of those guys could be considered selfish in any way.

But in general the number of selfish players in the NBA has increased since before due to the popularity of 3 main players: Jordan, Kobe and Iverson. These 3 guys have popularized the concept of hero ball and ‘mamba mentality’ ‘killer instinct’ etc BS terms that fans made up for them because fans tend to value scoring above all else. It’s called the ‘Yay Points!’ metric. For example, how often have you heard ‘Kobe is the greatest because he scored 81 points etc’ from someone? They only look at how much players score, that’s it. That’s why you have a whole generation of ball hogs like Carmelo Anthony, James Harden, Russell Westbrook (btw who boxes out his own center for rebounds!) in order to make their stats especially scoring look better.

Lebron in his Finals losses was criticized for being too unselfish and trusting his teammates too much. Isn’t that ridiculous? Basketball is a team sport but people want Lebron to be like Kobe and shoot the ball all the time forgetting that the only reason Kobe has rings is because whenever he missed (which was often), he needed an all star big man like Shaq or Gasol to rebound the ball. Without that, there’s no way you can win the game by scoring inefficiently like Kobe or Iverson. There’s a reason why those guys couldn’t play with other superstars (Kobe with Malone/Payton/Nash/Dwight and Iverson with Melo)

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Why appearance matters in Korea, NBA HOF, removing the headphone jack

I want to talk about several recent topics that have occured recently. In my video blogs I’ve already talked about stuff like why I think Hollywood discriminates against Asians, why I don’t like present day feminism, why I like Korean girls more than Chinese girls, why I support banning guns, why the media is biased towards Westerners, etc
Today I have a few topics I want to talk about…

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Why Appearance matters in Korea

Firstly, I’ve lived in Korea almost 2 years now, and I will leave Korea end of this year. At that time I will talk about my experiences here and why I decided to leave, but I want to talk about something I hinted at in my video of what makes Korea so special and unique. Its not just Korea seems to have a lot more couples on the street than other countries, probably the first thing a foreigner notices when they visit Korea is how everyone is always dressed up. The girls more so than the guys usually, but Koreans are known for caring a lot about appearance much more than any other Asian or other nationality in general. How did it come to be this way? Why don’t Americans or Chinese care about appearance as much?

This is more speculation than actual research because I’m not writing a thesis here, but I think the reason is because Korea is a really small and competitive country. When everyone graduates university at a high level, and everyone is Korean, one of the only ways to differentiate yourself is appearance. And that has lead to present day Korea where Korean girls get pressure to get plastic surgery, just to find a boyfriend or get a job, or anything. Because Korea doesn’t have any laws against a company discriminating based on appearance, this has led to competition to become prettier and prettier. And when everyone else is pretty, its a peer pressure affect that causes other people to feel that they should become pretty as well.

China has not gone through the same thing because its a bigger country, more diverse, and was totally communist at one point. Because of those reasons, Chinese people have become more accepting of different appearances, and its not as important because one of the good things that came out of communism is that old Confucian society where women were treated far below men, was erased and replaced by a society where the women worked, dressed the same as men, and treated exactly the same as men. This is the gender equality that all the progressives talk about these days, its essentially done by communism.

As for America, appearance used to be important back in the 1940s and 1950s when men were definitely higher than women and everyone wore suits, dresses, hats, etc for going outside. In those days everyone was dressed up outside. The counter culture revolution of the 1960s basically changed the US into a society where everyone dresses differently and people became more accepting of different appearances. That’s why you hardly ever see people dress up when they go outside in the USA anymore.

In Korea now, its still a patriarchal society, the men still have power (despite the fact that the Korean president is a woman it doesn’t mean sexism is gone), they have the highest gender wage gap out of all OECD countries, and its not uncommon to see the average Korean girl holding onto her boyfriends arms wearing a nice dress or skirt, high heels and fully dressed up while the guy is only wearing casual jeans or shorts. There’s a huge gender disparity here.

Now I actually think caring about appearance is important. I’m not saying people should go out and get plastic surgery, but when people care about the aesthetics of everything in their world from their phones (oh its slimmer!), their computers (wow rose gold!), architecture (eiffel tower, chrysler building, golden gate bridge), paintings (Mona Lisa), etc how can everyone care about aesthetics of everything in the world BUT when people care about other people’s appearance in the Western world, it is considered “shallow”?? In Korea, its totally normal to say oh you should put on more makeup, or you should dress a little better, which in our Western world would be considered sexist comments. But its the total opposite in our world, where even calling someone pretty can be considered offensive, and people are told not to care about others appearance because it is “shallow”? But why? I realize that personality is important, it definitely is, but humans have eyes, and we care about how everything else looks, why is it so bad to care about how other humans look as well? I think that caring about your own looks or other people’s looks is totally normal, as long as its not the ONLY thing you care about. If it is, then that can be considered shallow or superficial but like me, I care about both appearance and personality and I think both are really important in our daily lives. This is one of the things I like about Korea, is that they care about appearance, and I feel that every other country doesn’t care about appearance enough because they want to pretend that somehow we have eyes for everything else but not for other humans. Makes no sense.

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Yao Ming, Shaq and Iverson get into the Hall of Fame

This years NBA hall of fame class is headlined by Yao Ming, Shaq and Iverson. A lot of people have expressed that Yao Ming, didn’t belong in the Hall of fame, but they don’t realize that Yao Ming caused 1.3b people to get involved in basketball, that its the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame (the same reason why Arvydas Sabonis got in), and that he was actually a decent player that was All NBA 2nd team a bunch of times. He averaged 19/9/1.5/2 over his career, and if you compare to Alonzo Mourning who people agree is a HOFer, he averaged 17/8.5/1/3 over his career, so Yao’s stats are comparable to Mournings.

I think Shaq is definitely a top 5 center of all time, but people overrate his dominance. The thing is Shaq never had an equal during his time. His prime is around 2000-2005 and around that time, the best centers, Ewing, Hakeem and Robinson were all retiring or past their primes. The second best center of the 2000s, Dwight Howard and maybe Yao Ming, weren’t even in their primes yet. I would say Shaq got lucky that his era wasn’t that competitive at the center position. Kareem for example, had to deal with Wilt, Moses, Willis, Cowens, Unseld, Thurmond, Gilmore, Lanier, Walton, Parish, and later in his career Hakeem and Ewing as well. If people want to ding Wilt’s career for weak competition, they should ding Shaq’s career for weak competition.

As for Iverson, yeah I think he’s overrated, but I can understand why he’s so popular. He’s definitely one of them most inefficient shooting guards, only 42% FG which is worse than Kobe’s at 45% or John Havlicek at 44% and both of those guys shot a lot as well. So by stats you can say wow Iverson was terrible and missed a lot. But because people related to his style, his swagger, his attitude, his height, and his heart they really supported him because he was a small dude and that always makes him an underdog. That’s why even though ESPN rated him #48 best player of all time, I put him a bit higher at #30, because I can understand why he missed a lot of his shots, but that doesn’t make him necessarily a terrible player, it just means he’s not the greatest shooter.

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I don’t like 4K and high resolution displays

Why are people obsessed with the ppi of a display when 20 years ago they had a 640×480 screen on a CRT monitor and nobody was complaining back then? Wasn’t DVD considered good picture quality back then? Its only 480p now. People’s eyes didn’t get any better as time goes on.
Now because of Apple introducing the iPhone 4 with Retina display, (and Macbook with Retina) everything has super high resolution now. And now I have to read reviews where they give laptops a “minus” because they “only” have a 1080p display, a display that was basically high definition TV before is now “low resolution”. Incredible.
The larger the display the more battery it sucks up. now you might think this is offset by the bigger battery but that is in reality not the case. Thats why smaller phones get better battery life. try comparing the iPhone SE to iPhone 6 for example.
Most of the media that we have, Facebook pictures, and YouTube video, are always compressed. on a 4K screen on high res screen you would have to either get 4K stream or get the original pictures from a friend somehow, else the resulting quality on a high res screen is going to look like crap.
Why don’t people care about audio as much? so everyone is a videophile but being an audiophile is a small part of the audience? why? if people can tell the difference between a Full HD TV and a 4K TV why can’t they tell the difference between mp3s and flacs? Why give your eyes such good treatment but not your ears? thats why I care so much about my headphones, speakers, portable amps, DACs, high res audio files and stuff, but not many people seem to care about it.

This leads to my next topic….
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Apple got rid of the headphone jack in the iPhone 7. All chaos ensues.

There are two camps divided on this issue, one side supports Apple’s decision and says that wireless is the future and the 3.5mm is an old legacy standard,and the other side says 3.5mm can never be replaced.
What do you think my decision would be, knowing that I’m an audiophile and musician? Well of course I’m gonna say the 3.5mm headphone or AUX jack should not go away, at least not right now.

There are several reasons why wireless cannot replace the headphone jack:

1. Wireless has inherent latency issues, and anyone who’s used Ethernet over Wifi knows that wired is always faster and transmits data much faster than wireless. Because of this inherent advantage and the fact that we listen to digital music, wireless can never sound as good as wired. So wired headphones will always sound better than a wireless headphone at the same price point.

2. Wireless headphones have to be recharged. The Apple Airpods last 5 hours. That’s actually not a lot of you go on a lot of trips and travel a lot. That might be the time it takes on a train from one city to another. I actually spend 11 hours in a bus going from Bosnia to Serbia so I know thats not enough. Having to always charge something is a hassle. And wired has infinite battery life obviously.

3. Because its wireless, they cannot add any external headphone amplifier or DAC or noise cancellation to the audio chain unless they build it onto the headphone itself, which will decrease the battery life. I know lightning headphones or USB-C headphones can have these things built in as well, but those don’t have the same wide compatibility as a traditional headphone with a 3.5mm connection. Also, I still have not seen a wireless planar magnetic headphones or high impedance headphone, if that is possible to make one wireless at all.

4. Musicians, Engineers, Audiophiles etc we have too many legacy audio or musical equipment like a hifi stereo system, mixers, record players etc that just don’t work with wireless or even old laptops and devices. Because of this huge incompatibility issue, Bluetooth will never be as widespread as wired. Furthermore, people in 3rd world countries are not going to give up their cheap wired headphones for wireless ones anytime soon.

You cannot compare the removal of the headphone jack to the floppy disk drive or cassette drive and optical drive because those are storage formats and newer formats can always replace old formats and the newer formats were always strictly better than the older ones its replacing. The headphone jack is a way of enjoying audio, so removing that jack and saying you have to go wireless, is akin to removing the speakers from a phone, and saying, hey you have to use Bluetooth speakers now because having mono or stereo speakers is old and legacy.
And Yes I realize you can use a dongle with the new iPhone 7, but you can’t charge your phone at the same time, and you have to make sure not to lose the dongle on a trip else you’re screwed.

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Top 20 greatest offensive players + Top 20 greatest defensive players in NBA history

I wrote a post a while back about the greatest offensive scorers in NBA history using criteria as the # of seasons scoring over 25 points a game, number of scoring titles, best season scoring average, etc.

Now today, I want to go back and revise that and also give you the top defensive players in NBA history, using criteria as # of seasons with more than 3 blocks + steals a game (stocks), number of defensive player of the year awards, number of all defensive 1st team selections, etc. Of course I know this isn’t fair to old players who didn’t have blocks, steals or DPOY but I will rank them accordingly to what their contemporaries said about them.

NBA scoring leaders
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Top 20 greatest offensive players of all time

1. Michael Jordan
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 12/15
Number of scoring titles: 10
Best season scoring average: 37.1 (1987)

Doesn’t get better than Jordan. 10 scoring titles, most ever. 37 points a game at his peak. He has the single game playoff record of 63 points. A whopping 80% of his career he scored over 25ppg. His 33 points per game in the playoffs is the best playoff scoring average all time. The GOAT.

2. Wilt Chamberlain
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 9/13
Number of scoring titles: 7
Best season scoring average: 50.4 (1962)

The Big Dipper. 70% of his career he scored over 25 ppg, but 7 scoring titles is second most all time. And a peak of a whopping 50 ppg is the highest scoring average in NBA history. He also holds the single game scoring record at 100 points.

3. Kevin Durant
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 11/12
Number of scoring titles: 4
Best season scoring average: 32.0 (2014)

Durant has the third most scoring titles of all time, tied with some other guys I mentioned earlier, and 92% of his career he scored over 25 ppg, topping out at 32ppg back in 2014. He could be called the most complete scorer of his generation.

4. Kobe Bryant
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 12/20
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 35.4 (2006)

The Black Mamba. 60% of his career scored more than 25 ppg. 2 scoring titles, and a beastly 35 points a game at his peak, he was one of the most dominant scorers of all time. Also holds the second greatest scoring game at 81 points.

5. Jerry West
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 11/14
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 31.3 (1966)

The Logo. A whopping 78% of his career he scored over 25 points a game while also dishing out 7 assists a game. He was truly one of the most versatile players ever. A peak scoring average of 31 points a game, and holds the playoff scoring record for a series at 44 points a game.

6. Lebron James
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 15/16
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 31.4 (2006)

People might not think of Lebron James as a scorer, but he’s scored over 25ppg over 94% of his career. There’s only one season where he averaged less than that. He does this while also being a great rebounder and assister as well. He won the scoring title once, and he topped out at 31ppg back in 2006.

7. Allen Iverson
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 11/17
Number of scoring titles: 4
Best season scoring average: 33.0 (2006)

The Answer might have been the best small shooting guard ever, scoring over 25ppg, 65% of his career. He has 4 scoring titles, tied with Gervin and Durant for third most all time, and topped out at 33 points a game in 2006. He has the second highest playoff scoring average all time at 30 points a game.

8. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 10/20
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 34.8 (1972)

The NBA’s all time leading scorer has 2 scoring titles, scored over 25ppg over 50% of his career, had the most unstoppable move in basketball, and topped out at a pretty impressive 35 points a game back in 72.

9. Karl Malone
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 12/19
Number of scoring titles: 0
Best season scoring average: 31.0 (1990)

The Mailman doesn’t have any scoring titles thanks to MJ, but he is the second all time leading scorer in NBA history, and 63% of his career averaged over 25ppg. He topped out at 31 ppg back in 1990.

10. James Harden
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 7/10
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 36.7(2019)

James Harden while not a ‘pure’ scorer as Kevin Durant, is just as good offensively, since he utilizes the NBA rules to his advantages, getting free points essentially off of every play. While a lot of people dislike his style of play, you can’t deny that as a result, it’s made him into one of the hardest players to guard in NBA history. 70% of his career, he’s scored over 25 PPG.

11. George Gervin
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 8/15
Number of scoring titles: 4
Best season scoring average: 33.1 (1980)

Tied for third most scoring titles all time. 53% of his career scored over 25ppg, and his best ppg average coming at 33 points a game back in 1980.

12. Dominique Wilkins
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 11/16
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 30.3 (1986)

In an era of lots of scoring SFs like Adrian Dantley, Alex English and Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins scored more than all of them. 69% of his career he scored over 25ppg, and his best season average is 30ppg back in 86.

13. Shaquille O’Neal
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 10/19
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 29.7 (2000)

Shaq is the most dominant force since Wilt, and has muscled his way to the rim for arrays of dunks and layups, which leads him to be one of the greatest scorers ever, scoring more than 25 PPG 52% of his career.

14. Elgin Baylor
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 8/14
Number of scoring titles: 0
Best season scoring average: 38.3 (1962)

Elgin Baylor doesn’t have any scoring titles (thanks to Wilt), but he does have the third highest career scoring average of all time at 27.4 points a game. And his peak is just ridiculous. 57% of his career he scored over 25ppg, his best season being a whopping 38 points a game back in 62. He scored over 71 points in a game before, and his 61 points in a Finals is still a record that stands today.

15. Oscar Robertson
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 9/14
Number of scoring titles: 0
Best season scoring average: 31.4 (1964)

The Big O could do everything, including score. 64% of his career he averaged over 25ppg, with his best coming in 1964 at 31 points a game. He was basically Lebron back in the 60s, able to score, rebound and assist as well as anyone.

16. Rick Barry
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 8/14
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 35.6 (1967)

Rick Barry was one of the most lethal scorers back in the day. 57% of his career he scored over 25ppg, and in just his second season in the league he topped out at 36 points a game. He has one of the highest playoff scoring averages at 27 points per game.

17. Bob Pettit
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 7/12
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 31.1 (1962)

Big Bob Pettit was one of the most lethal scoring and rebounding big men back in the day, along with Wilt. 58% of his career her averaged over 25ppg, and he never averaged under 20 points a game in his whole career. He has 2 scoring titles, and his best scoring average at 31 points a game back in 62.

18. Bob McAdoo
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 7/13
Number of scoring titles: 3
Best season scoring average: 34.5 (1975)

Bob McAdoo was the precursor to today’s shooting big man, being a PF that can shoot from nearly anywhere in the floor. This versatility made him one of the most dangerous scorers in NBA history. 53% of his career he averaged over 25 PPG.

19. Adrian Dantley
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 8/14
Number of scoring titles: 2
Best season scoring average: 30.7 (1981)

Adrian Dantley was not only a great scorer, he was highly efficient too, and led the league in scoring during a decade dominated by scoring forwards. 57% of his career he scored over 25 PPG.

20. Alex English (tie)
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 8/14
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 28.4 (1983)

Alex English might not have had the peak of someone like Rick Barry or Bob McAdoo, but he was consistent, outscoring all other players during the 1980s. 57% of his career he scored over 25 PPG.

20. Carmelo Anthony (tie)
Number of scoring seasons of 25 points or greater: 9/17
Number of scoring titles: 1
Best season scoring average: 28.9 (2007)

Carmelo is the modern day Alex English. 53% of his career he scored over 25 PPG. A reliable consistent scorer that doesn’t quite reach Durant’s peak or Lebron’s dominance but is nonetheless one of the greatest scorers of his generation.

Honorable mentions: Dwayne Wade, Tracy McGrady, Bernard King, Larry Bird, Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook

Top 20 greatest defensive players of all time

1. Bill Russell
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: N/A
Number of DPOY titles: N/A
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 4
All defensive 1st team selections: 1

How could it not be? Russell is acknowledged by many as the greatest defensive presence ever, even if blocks and steals weren’t tracked back in the day. But you can see from available archive footage how great a defensive player he was. He blocks the ball to start fast breaks, and many times in the footage he would block over 10 shots a game. That’s just incredible. No one made a more defensive impact than Russell did.

2. Wilt Chamberlain
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: N/A
Number of DPOY titles: N/A
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 11
All defensive 1st team selections: 2

The NBA’s all time rebounding leader, and also the second greatest offensive player is also the second greatest defensive player, proving how great Wilt was on both ends of the floor. Like Russell, blocks and steals weren’t tracked back in his time, but from archival footage that exists, you can see how many games he blocked over 10 shots, and even one game he blocked over 20 shots! Possibly the greatest all around player not named Michael Jordan.

3. Hakeem Olajuwon
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 15
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 5
All defensive 1st team selections: 5

The Dream was a defensive beast. He’s the NBA’s all time leader in blocked shots, he had over 3 steals + blocks 15 seasons in his career. He’s also a 2 time defensive player of the year. One of the greatest two way players ever along with Wilt and Jordan.

4. Dikembe Mutombo
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 11
Number of DPOY titles: 4
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 5
All defensive 1st team selections: 3

Tied for the most number of DPOY awards at 4, and 11 seasons in his career he had over 3 steals+blocks a game. He’s also second all time in blocked shots.

5. Nate Thurmond
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 2
Number of DPOY titles: 0
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 0
All defensive 1st team selections: 2

Nate Thurmond is considered one of the all time great defensive centers, with Wilt and Kareem considering him on par with Russell on defense.

6. Ben Wallace
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 9
Number of DPOY titles: 4
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 3
All defensive 1st team selections: 5

Ben Wallace coming up this high might be a surprise to some of you, but don’t be. He was a 4x DPOY, tied for most all time. 9 seasons he had over 3 steals+blocks a game. He’s the reason why the Pistons were a powerhouse in the mid 2000s.

7. David Robinson
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 11
Number of DPOY titles: 1
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 2
All defensive 1st team selections: 4

David Robinson is an all time great two way player, kind of like a lesser but still great version of Hakeem. He had 11 seasons with over 3 steals+blocks a game.

8. Kevin Garnett
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 6
Number of DPOY titles: 1
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 4
All defensive 1st team selections: 9

Kevin Garnett has a DPOY award unlike Duncan, and he was just a great a defender, but I put him below because he has just 6 seasons with over 3 steals/blocks compared to Duncan and unlike Duncan is not playing at a high level into his old age. But he is still one of the greatest defenders especially at the PF position.

9. Dennis Rodman
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 0
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 7
All defensive 1st team selections: 7

I debated over whether Pippen or Rodman was a better defender but went with Rodman. He’s a 2x DPOY, and could defend any position. He’s one of the greatest rebounders of all time. He doesn’t have any seasons with over 3 steals and blocks, but he didn’t need to, he was one of those players that had defensive intangibles.

10. Scottie Pippen
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 6
Number of DPOY titles: 0
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 1
All defensive 1st team selections: 8

Even though Pippen didn’t have any DPOY awards, he had 6 seasons with over 6 steals+blocks and just like Rodman, could defend any position. His 8 time defensive 1st team selections is a testament to that.

11. Michael Jordan
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 9
Number of DPOY titles: 1
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 3
All defensive 1st team selections: 9

One of the greatest two way players in NBA history not only was Jordan the best offensive player of all time, he’s a top 10 defensive player all time as well. 9 time All-Defensive 1st team + 9 seasons with over 3 steals+blocks a game. He’s one of the best defensive guards of all time.

12. Dwight Howard
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 6
Number of DPOY titles: 3
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 7
All defensive 1st team selections: 4

Dwight Howard was a dominant defensive presence for most of the 2000s. He is a 3x DPOY, that’s second most all time, and one of the great rebounders in recent history. He has 6 seasons with over 6 steals+blocks.

13. Gary Payton
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 1
Number of DPOY titles: 1
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 1
All defensive 1st team selections: 9

Payton is considered one of the best defensive guards of all time and one of the only ones to win DPOY.

14. Sidney Moncrief
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 0
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 0
All defensive 1st team selections: 4

Moncrief is considered one of the best defensive guards of all time and one of the only ones to win DPOY.

15. Tim Duncan
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 10
Number of DPOY titles: 0
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 0
All defensive 1st team selections: 8

Tim Duncan doesn’t need a DPOY award to prove how great defensively he was. He was an 8 time all defensive team selection, and is still blocking shots at a high level into his 40s. He has 10 seasons with over 3 steals+blocks, and 1 of those seasons came when he was 36 years old, which is crazy.

16. Walt Frazier
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 0
Number of DPOY titles: 0
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 0
All defensive 1st team selections: 7

That he only had 1 season of over 3 steals+blocks is misleading. Most of his career, blocks and steals weren’t tracked, and Frazier was one of the best defenders in the guard position in NBA history. He would have a lot more career steals if they had been tracked back in the day. His 7 time defensive 1st team selection proves that.

17. Kawhi Leonard
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 1
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 1
All defensive 1st team selections: 3

Leonard is the best defender of his generation and along with Lebron among the best defensive forwards ever.

18. Bobby Jones
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 4
Number of DPOY titles: 0
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 0
All defensive 1st team selections: 8

Jones even though he didn’t win a DPOY award like his contemporaries Michael Cooper, Alvin Robertson and Sidney Moncrief, is still among the greatest wing defenders of all time.

19. Mark Eaton
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 7
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 4
All defensive 1st team selections: 3

Mark Eaton averaged the most blocks in NBA history with 3.5 blocks a game. That’s every game of his career. 3.5 blocks.

20. Alonzo Mourning
Number of seasons with over 3 stocks a game: 7
Number of DPOY titles: 2
Number of rebound/blocks/steal titles: 2
All defensive 1st team selections: 2

Alonzo Mourning edges out Kareem a little bit because he was a more dominant defender in his prime. He was swatting nearly 4 blocks a game in his prime and was competing with Mutombo and Hakeem in terms of being the best defensive center in the mid 90s!

Honorable mentions: Joe Dumars, Bruce Bowen, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Alvin Robertson, Michael Cooper, John Havlicek, Jerry West, Dennis Johnson, Dave Debusschere