What is the Chinese argument for Taiwan being a part of China?

Taiwan is not a part of China, and I say this not because I was ‘brainwashed’ by Western education but by the reality of the situation.

-China (PRC) has no governmental authority over Taiwan

-Chinese need a visa to visit Taiwan

-Taiwan has its own currency and flag

-Taiwanese have their own passport

Aren’t these things enough to prove that Taiwan is not a part of China?

Of course, I have to address some of the arguments Chinese people commonly make:

”Taiwan used to be Chinese territory and Japan unlawfully took it away and it rightfully belongs to China”

Yes thats how war works. When you lose a war, you lose territory. Why would Taiwan be any different? Singapore used to be Malaysian territory. Pakistan used to be India territory. Kosovo is a current disputed state that used to be Serbian territory. Hell if you want to go back to Qing Dynasty times, Texas used to be part of Mexico and Canada used to be part of the UK. Fact of the matter is just because something used to be part of your territory doesn’t mean it’s part of the current territory.

-”Taiwan is part of China according to Chinese constitution and ROC map shows mainland China as theirs so Taiwan is part of China”

This has to be most ridiculous argument. Just because a territory is legally written in the constitution as part of your territory does not make it so. Else the USA can just amend their constitution to include China as a US State and boom! China is now a state of the USA right? No, it doesn’t work like that. And mainland China being included in ROC’s map is just proof of my point here as well; how many Chinese would agree that ROC has control over mainland China? You disagree? Well that’s what the map says so it must be true right? North Korea still considers South Korea part of their territory on their constitution. Again, does the world think that SK is part of NK? I don’t think so. 

”Taiwan is not recognized by the UN as a country, UN recognizes China as the real China, so it’s not a country”

First of all, UN only accepted PRC as the rightful Chinese government over ROC when they saw that mainland China’s economy was catching up and surpassing Taiwan’s economy and thus it was diplomatically advantageous to recognize PRC as the “true” government, secondly UN does not determine who is a country and who isn’t. UN was only created in 1945 so does that mean there were no countries prior to 1945? China (PRC) didn’t join the UN until 1971 – previously ROC was representing China – does that mean mainland China (PRC) didn’t exist as a separate country until then? Makes no sense.

”But Hong Kong has own visas, passports, own currency, own flag etc and you agree that it’s part of China.”

Hong Kong is a special case – part of the one country, two systems – and the important difference between Hong Kong and Taiwan lies here: China (PRC) has no governmental authority over Taiwan – it does have governmental authority over Hong Kong. In fact that’s what led to the currently ongoing Hong Kong protests.

I have yet to hear a convincing argument from mainland Chinese that Taiwan is part of China.

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Is China a developed country?


Online you might find many Chinese brag about this:

and this

Then they exclaim, that there’s more skyscrapers and high speed trains etc in China than America so they are developed.

This is not the right definition of ‘developed’

You don’t measure a city or country by outer appearance alone. The thing is we have to take a look at the innards of a country to really know whether or not you are truly developed. That Chinese are so obsessed with portraying the facade that they are technologically advanced and ahead is actually an indication that they have not fully developed yet. Because fully developed countries have no need to show off things like that. Everyone knows they are developed.

For example, here is San Francisco:

Look, not many skyscrapers right? And look at those old cable cars going around! That must mean they are undeveloped right? Nope. Everyone knows San Francisco is a developed city. That’s why it has no need to show off with luxury skyscrapers and such things.

Or how about Florence, Italy?

Again, no skyscrapers here. But everyone knows its a developed city and Italy is a developed country.

My point is, you gotta look at the people and the innards of a country to truly know if they are developed.

This is the true face of China:

You gotta look at the average person. Does the average Chinese have good access to healthcare (which is ranked near the bottom in WHO rankings btw)? Can they drink tap water safely? Do they have access to quality food? Do all have access to electricity or paved roads or a quality education? The answer is: probably yes if you are living in the rich east coast provinces of Jiangsu or Zhejiang or Guangdong- but not if you are living in say – Xinjiang or Gansu or Tibet. China’s wealth is not spread equally neither is it developed equally. Even though the CCP has developed China quite fast – there is still a lot of work to be done making sure *every Chinese* have equal access to everything.

And then you got to look at the attitude of the people. When I was in China I found that you really got to look out for who you trust, because there is a lot of scams going on all the time. You never know what is real, what is fake, what is real price of anything. Why do these scams exist? because people have to be desperate to make money that’s why. Why are people desperate to make money? probably because they are not making enough to survive, which is an indication that the country is still developing. You’ll notice that in general, the more developed a country is, the less likely there will be scams. In Korea/Japan/Taiwan, you will not find very many scams. In China and Eastern Europe its likely. The prevalence of scams is an indication of how well off the country is. Seems strange I know, but trust me on this, there is a reason why its called a Nigerian Prince scam, and not an Italian Prince scam. Poorer countries have more desperate people and more desperate people do things like scamming.

Another aside I want to note is that Chinese bathrooms don’t contain any toilet paper. Do you know the reason why? It’s because people steal it. Now, in what developed country does this happen? I can’t think of any. Only in a developing country would you need to bring your own toilet paper to the bathroom because there isn’t any there due to fear of people stealing it.

I find GDP/capita to be generally a pretty good indicator of how developed a country is. The average GDP/capita of China is still around $8k/person. While that is the average of the world – that is still ‘developing’ level. Not quite the $50k/person that the USA has. Thus I consider China still a developing country. No amount of skyscrapers or high speed rails or smartphones or tech innovation can truly indicate how developed a country is. I mean by that standard you could also consider Dubai to be more developed than London – which we know is not true. Nor can you use violent crime or drug statistics to indicate how developed a country is – by that measure India with less gun violence would be considered more developed than the USA is.

The true measure of a developed society is to observe the people that live in the country and not the appearance of the country itself.
Chinese “face” culture is the same. You can just obviously see that China has developed really really fast, and mentality wise people are still harping about luxury products and consumerism – this is where Americans were back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, not now. The biggest consumers of luxury products are Chinese people, not Americans or Europeans. The more developed you are the less need you have to validate your self worth with materialism. The less desire you have to spend thousands of dollars on your children’s schooling just to send them to be educated abroad. The less need to travel to countries like Canada or USA for giving birth so that your child becomes a US or Canadian citizen, or to launder your money by buying up real estate in other countries. Developed countries do not need to do things like that.

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Which country is better for men, China or Korea?

South Korea is for a number of reasons. Yes the men have to do mandatory military service there for 2 years but its a small price to pay for a number of advantages:

  1. Korea’s a more ‘traditional’ country where women especially in the southern parts like Gyeongsang-do and Jeolla-do and Jeju-do, do most or all of the housework, cooking and child-bearing. Many mothers in these parts specifically raise their daughters to expect to take on these burdens after marriage. In China, the husband and wife usually share household duties. Housewives are common in Korea, but almost unheard of in China.
  2. China has a gender imbalance. 20–30 million more men than women which has caused the side effect of having somewhat spoiled women. Korean men still outnumber women but the ratio is not as bad and in cities like Seoul there is actually more women than men (partly due to a portion of men being stationed for the military), this means men don’t have to compete as much for the women.
  3. Going with the ‘less independent’ theme, Korea is home to the OECD’s highest gender pay gap, the women make on average 30% less than the men do! China on the other hand (they are not part of the OECD) has one of the smallest gender pay gaps, even better than the USA! Percentage wise, there are way more Chinese female CEOs than Korean female CEOs. In Korea, the job most women aspire to is to be a flight attendant – think about that. A job that requires you to be pretty and subservient. Hardly a Chinese girl’s dream job – they want to start their own businesses. See the difference? So Korea is better for men, because less independent/less money = harder to divorce = men have more advantage.
  4. More eye candy for men. For better or worse, Chinese women seem to dress like American women, more casually, whereas Korean women wear more feminine outfits. Yes, I know most Korean women probably dress for themselves not for men, but still you can’t ignore that it is better eye candy for the men. The Korean school uniforms are way better looking than Chinese school uniforms and a lot of women wear short skirts and dresses even in the winter. And you can’t forget about the pool parties and outdoor festivals in the summer. Bikinis everywhere lol.

  1. The justice system is more favorable to men than women. Police don’t care about domestic disputes at all, so men can often get away with doing anything to his wife. As another example, there was a case of a woman taking nude pics of a male art model and spreading it around – she was sentenced to 2 years in jail. Meanwhile, in another case a guy was spreading nude pics of his ex-gf / revenge porn and guess what, he gets a $2000 fine. No jailtime.
  2. Korea is also more open about sex, and while prostitution exists in a legal grey area in both countries, Korea is more tolerant about it than China is. Adult sex shops are everywhere. Motels are everywhere. Korea has the second most prostitutes per capita in the world right next to Philippines. I don’t have the specific statistics, but it wouldn’t surprise me to know that Korean men cheat more on average than Chinese men do. The society just makes it so much easier to. And while porn is banned in both countries, Korea at least has sexy movies. Remember when Tang Wei was blacklisted from China for those sex scenes in Lust, Caution? Kim Tae-ri started her career doing lesbian sex scenes in The Handmaiden.

Or how about The Concubine so many of these steamy Joseon-era movies that China wouldn’t dare make.

This is a plus for men, because obviously men need to relieve themselves more than women do, and the more open a country is about it, the better for them.