Who is the best NBA player to never win MVP?

My votes are for

  1. Jerry West – #10 on my top 10 players all time and #3 on my all time SG list, should have won MVP in 1970 imo
  2. Elgin Baylor – in my top 20 players all time and #4 on my all time SF list, never won MVP because he played in the Russell/Wilt era
  3. John Stockton – in my top 25 players all time, and #3 on my all time PG list, played in the Jordan/Magic era which might be a reason why he never won MVP
  4. Rick Barry – in my top 25 players all time, and #7 on my all time SF list, I already said in another answer that he might have gotten robbed of MVP in 1975 due to his unpopularity
  5. John Havlicek – in my top 25 players all time and #6 on my all time SF list. Unlike Barry, Hondo had a lower peak but greater longevity, and plus played in an era dominated by Russell/Wilt/Kareem
  6. Dwayne Wade – in my top 30 players all time, and #4 on my all time SG list, some people argue he was robbed of MVP in 2009
  7. Chris Paul – in my top 30 players all time, and #5 on my all time PG list, some people argue he was robbed of MVP in 2008
  8. Jason Kidd – in my top 35 players all time, and #6 on my all time PG list, its debateable that he should have won MVP in 2002/2003 but Duncan took it away from him
  9. George Gervin – in my top 40 players all time, #6 on my all time SG list, Gervin had his best years in the Magic/Bird/Kareem era so didn’t get to win MVP
  10. Patrick Ewing – in my top 50 players all time, #10 on my all time C list, Ewing just played at a time where there were so many other great Cs (Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq) and he’s probably the weakest out of those 4.

Why is Kobe always left out of the GOAT conversation (regarding Jordan)?

Why should he be in the GOAT conversation?

  1. Kobe is an inferior version of the person many consider the GOAT (Jordan). by this definition alone, Kobe is disqualified for the GOAT. At least Lebron has more rebounds and assists than Jordan and thus has somewhat of an argument. Kobe does nothing better than Jordan.
  2. Kobe wasn’t the best player for 60% of his rings
  3. Kobe had a massive ego. Say what you will about Lebron – players came play with him (haters will say he ‘chooses and picks his team’). Players avoided playing with Kobe in LA especially in his later years.
  4. Kobe was too inefficient
  5. Kobe lacks in both stats and awards compared to other candidates. He averages 25/5/5 – those are good stats, but definitely not good enough for GOAT conversation when Lebron averages 27/7/7 and even Jerry West averaged 27/6/7. He has 1 MVP to Wilt/Lebron’s 4, Russell’s 5, Kareem’s 6 and Jordan’s 5. 
    “But MVPs are a popularity contest! and he got robbed X times” Kobe fans say. Ok, but consider that Kobe only has 2 scoring titles (Iverson/Durant/Gervin all have 4, Wilt 7 and Jordan 10), only 2 Finals MVPs (Lebron/Duncan/Magic/Jordan all have more), no rebounding , blocks, steals or assist titles, no DPOYs, no ROTY, and has the dubious distinction of being the all time leader in missed shots. How can this person be in the GOAT conversation?

How many current future hall of famers are currently in the NBA?

Let’s see, here are all the guys who i think will be HOFers (first ballot or not, in no particular order)

  1. Lebron James
  2. Steph Curry
  3. Kevin Durant
  4. Kawhi Leonard
  5. Klay Thompson
  6. James Harden
  7. Chris Paul
  8. Russell Westbrook
  9. Paul George
  10. Giannis Antetokounmpo
  11. Joel Embiid
  12. Ben Simmons
  13. Pau Gasol
  14. Dwayne Wade
  15. Dirk Nowitzki
  16. Vince Carter
  17. Rajon Rondo
  18. Damian Lillard
  19. Blake Griffin
  20. Dwight Howard
  21. Kyrie Irving

so.. at least 21