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Top 25 greatest NBA players by position + other NBA rankings

Now that the NBA season has ended (and what a season it was!) now comes to time to revisit the top 100 greatest players of all time, as well as the top NBA players by position. I’ve decided to discard my old post on this since that post was made back in 2013, and this one has been updated through the new NBA season, with top 25 per position making a total of 100 players here.

These are all gleaned by my composite score for each player, all ranked by tallying their stats and awards together. You can download it here

I’ve also agreed with Rick Barry’s assertion that we should judge NBA players by position, because how can you compare Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain and definitively say one is better than the other when they play totally different positions? You can’t. So let’s go by position. Here’s the new list:

Point Guard

1. Magic Johnson “The Magic Man”
19.5 PPG/7.2 RPG/11.2 APG, 5x Champion, 3x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 10x All-NBA, 12x All-Star, 9x Finals Appearances (1980, 1982-1985, 1987-1989, 1991)

2. Jerry West “Mr Clutch”
27.0 PPG/5.8 RPG/6.7 APG, 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 12x All-NBA, 12x All-Defensive, 14x All Star, 9x Finals Appearances (1962-1963, 1965-1966, 1968-1970, 1972-1973)

3. Oscar Robertson “The Big O”
25.7 PPG/7.5 RPG/9.5 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 11x All-NBA, 12x All-Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1971, 1974)

4. Bob Cousy “Houdini of the Hardwood”
18.4 PPG/5.2 RPG/7.5 APG, 6x Champion, 1x MVP, 12x All-NBA, 13x All Star, 7x Finals Appearances (1957-1963)

5. Chris Paul “CP3”
18.7 PPG/4.4 RPG/9.5 APG, 7x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 9x All Star

6. John Stockton
13.1 PPG/2.7 RPG/10.5 APG, 11x All-NBA, 10x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1997-1998)

7. Jason Kidd “J-Kidd”
12.6 PPG/6.3 RPG/8.7 APG, 1x Champion, 6x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 10x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (2002-2003, 2011)

8. Walt Frazier “Clyde”
18.9 PPG/5.9 RPG/6.1 APG, 2x Champion, 6x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 7x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1970, 1972-1973)

9. Russell Westbrook “Beastbrook”
23.2 PPG/7.1 RPG/8.3 APG, 1x MVP, 8x All-NBA, 9x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2012)

10. Stephen Curry “Chef Curry”
23.5 PPG/4.5 RPG/6.6 APG, 3x Champion, 2x MVP, 6x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (2015-2019)

11. Gary Payton “The Glove”
16.3 PPG/3.9 RPG/6.7 APG, 1x Champion, 9x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 9x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1996, 2004, 2006)

12. Steve Nash
14.3 PPG/3.0 RPG/8.5 APG, 2x MVP, 7x All-NBA, 8x All Star

13. Isiah Thomas “Zeke”
19.2 PPG/3.6 RPG/9.3 APG, 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 5x All-NBA, 12x All-Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1988-1990)

14. Dennis Johnson “DJ”
14.9 PPG/3.9 RPG/5.0 APG, 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 2x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 5x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1978-1979, 1984-1987)

15. Tony Parker
15.5 PPG/2.7 RPG/5.6 APG, 4x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 4x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (2003, 2005, 2007, 2013-2014)

16. Chauncey Billups “Mr Big Shot”
15.2 PPG/2.9 RPG/5.4 APG, 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 3x All-NBA, 2x All-Defensive, 5x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (2004, 2005)

17. Tiny Archibald
18.8 PPG/2.3 RPG/7.4 APG, 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1981)

18. Damian Lillard “Dame”
23.1 PPG/4.1 RPG/6.2 APG, 3x All-NBA, 4x All Star

19. Maurice Cheeks
11.1 PPG/2.8 RPG/6.7 APG, 1x Champion, 4x All-Star, 5x All-Defensive, 3x Finals Appearances (1980, 1982-1983)

20. Rajon Rondo
10.7 PPG/4.9 RPG/8.5 APG, 4x All-Star, 1x Champion, 2x Finals Appearances (2008, 2010)

21. Kyrie Irving “Uncle Drew”
22.0 PPG/3.4 RPG/5.5 APG, 1x Champion, 6x All Star, 1x All-NBA, 3x Finals Appearance (2015-2017)

22. Jo Jo White
17.2 PPG/4.0 RPG/4.9 APG, 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 2x All-NBA, 7x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1974, 1976)

23. Dave Bing
20.3 PPG/3.8 RPG/6.0 APG, 3x All-NBA, 7x All-Star

24. Kevin Johnson “KJ”
17.9 PPG/3.3 RPG/9.1 APG, 5x All-NBA, 3x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1993)

25. Lenny Wilkens
16.5 PPG/4.7 RPG/6.7 APG, 9x All Star

Shooting Guard

1. Michael Jordan “Air Jordan”
30.1 PPG/6.2 RPG/5.3 APG, 6x Champion, 5x MVP, 6x Finals MVP, 11x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 14x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1991-1993, 1996-1998)

2. Kobe Bryant “The Black Mamba”
25.5 PPG/5.3 RPG/4.8 APG, 5x Champion, 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 15x All-NBA, 12x All-Defensive, 18x All Star, 7x Finals Appearances (2000-2002, 2004, 2008-2010)

3. Dwyane Wade “Flash”
22.0 PPG/4.7 RPG/5.4 APG, 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 8x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 12x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (2006, 2011-2014)

4. Allen Iverson “The Answer”
26.7 PPG/3.7 RPG/6.2 APG, 1x MVP, 7x All-NBA, 11x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2001)

5. George Gervin “Iceman”
25.1 PPG/5.2 RPG/2.5 APG, 9x All-NBA, 12x All Star

6. James Harden “The Beard”
25.1 PPG/5.3 RPG/6.3 APG, 1x MVP, 6x All-NBA, 8x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2012)

7. Sam Jones
17.7 PPG/4.9 RPG/2.5 APG, 10x Champion, 3x All-NBA, 5x All Star, 11x Finals Appearances (1958-1966, 1968-1969)

8. Clyde Drexler “The Glide”
20.4 PPG/6.1 RPG/5.6 APG, 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA, 10x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1990, 1992, 1995)

9. Bill Sharman
17.8 PPG/3.9 RPG/3.0 APG, 4x Champion, 7x All-NBA, 8x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (1957-1961)

10. Ray Allen
18.9 PPG/4.1 RPG/3.4 APG, 2x Champion, 2x All-NBA, 10x All-Star, 4x Finals Appearances (2008, 2010, 2013-2014)

11. Hal Greer
19.2 PPG/5.0 RPG/4.0 APG, 1x Champion, 7x All-NBA, 10x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1967)

12. Tracy McGrady “T-Mac”
19.6 PPG/5.6 RPG/4.4 APG, 5x All-NBA, 7x All Star

13. Joe Dumars
16.1 PPG/2.2 RPG/4.5 APG, 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 3x All-NBA, 5x All-Defensive, 6x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1988-1990)

14. Sidney Moncrief
15.6 PPG/4.7 RPG/3.6 APG, 5x All-NBA, 5x All-Defensive, 5x All Star

15. Michael Cooper
8.9 PPG/3.2 RPG/4.2 APG, 8x All-Defensive, 5x Champion, 8x Finals Appearances (1980, 1982-1985, 1987-1989)

16. Reggie Miller
18.2 PPG/3 RPG/3 APG, 5x All-Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2000)

17. Manu Ginobili
14.6 PPG/3.8 RPG/4 APG, 2x All-Star, 4x Champion, 5x Finals Appearances (2003, 2005, 2007, 2013-2014)

18. Vince Carter “Vinsanity”
18.2 PPG/4.6 RPG/3.3 APG, 2x All-NBA, 8x All-Star

19. Mitch Richmond
21.0 PPG/3.9 RPG/3.5 APG, 1x Champion, 3x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2002)

20. David Thompson “Skywalker”
22.1 PPG/4.1 RPG/3.3 APG, 2x All-NBA, 5x All Star

21. Alvin Robertson
14.0 PPG/5.2 RPG/5.0 APG, 6x All-Defensive, 4x All-Star

22. Walter Davis
18.9 PPG/3.8 RPG/3.0 APG, 6x All-Star, 2x All-NBA

23. Pete Maravich “Pistol”
24.2 PPG/4.2 RPG/5.4 APG, 4x All-ABA, 5x All Star

24. Gail Goodrich
18.6 PPG/3.2 RPG/4.7 APG, 5x All-Star, 1x All-NBA, 1x Champion, 3x Finals Appearances (1968, 1972-1973)

25. Klay Thompson
19.5 PPG/3.5 RPG/2.3 APG, 3x Champion, 5x All-Star, 5x Finals Appearances (2015-2019)

Small Forwards

1. Lebron James “King James”
27.1 PPG/7.4 RPG/7.1 APG, 2x Champion, 4x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 15x All-NBA, 6x All-Defensive, 16x All Star, 9x Finals Appearances (2007, 2011-2018)

2. Julius Erving “Dr J”
24.2 PPG/6.7 RPG/4.2 APG, 3x Champion, 4x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 12x All-NBA, 17x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1972, 1974, 1976, 1980, 1982-1983)

3. Larry Bird “Larry Legend”
24.3 PPG/10.0 RPG/6.3 APG, 3x Champion, 3x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 10x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 12x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (1981, 1984-1987)

4. John Havlicek “Hondo”
20.8 PPG/6.3 RPG/4.8 APG, 8x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 11x All-NBA, 14x All-Defensive, 13x All Star, 8x Finals Appearances (1963-1966, 1968-1969, 1974, 1976)

5. Kevin Durant “KD”
27.4 PPG/6.9 RPG/3.5 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 7x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 4x Finals Appearances (2012, 2017-2019)

6. Scottie Pippen “Pip”
16.1 PPG/6.4 RPG/5.2 APG, 6x Champion, 7x All-NBA, 10x All-Defensive, 7x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1991-1993, 1996-1998)

7. Rick Barry “The Miami Greyhound”
24.8 PPG/6.7 RPG/4.9 APG, 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA, 8x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1967, 1969, 1975)

8. Elgin Baylor “Mr Inside”
27.4 PPG/13.5 RPG/4.6 APG, 10x All-NBA, 11x All Star, 8x Finals Appearances (1959, 1962-1963, 1965-1966, 1968-1970)

9. Kawhi Leonard “The Klaw”
18.6 PPG/6.4 RPG/2.7 APG, 2x Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 3x All-NBA, 5x All-Defensive, 4x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (2013, 2014, 2019)

10. Paul Arizin
22.8 PPG/8.6 RPG/2.3 APG, 1x Champion, 4x All-NBA, 10x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1956)

11. Paul Pierce “The Truth”
19.7 PPG/5.6 RPG/3.5 APG, 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 1x All-NBA, 10x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (2008, 2010)

12. Connie Hawkins “The Hawk”
18.7 PPG/8.8 RPG/4.1 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 3x All-NBA, 5x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1968)

13. Adrian Dantley
24.3 PPG/5.7 RPG/3.0 APG, 2x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1988)

14. Billy Cunningham “The Kangaroo Kid”
21.2 PPG/10.4 RPG/4.3 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 5x All-NBA, 5x All-Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1967)

15. Dominique Wilkins “The Human Highlight Reel”
24.8 PPG/6.7 RPG/2.5 APG, 7x All-NBA, 9x All Star

16. Carmelo Anthony “Melo”
23.6 PPG/6.5 RPG/2.9 APG, 2x All-NBA, 10x All Star

17. Alex English
21.5 PPG/5.5 RPG/3.6 APG, 3x All-NBA, 8x All Star

18. James Worthy “Big Game James”
17.6 PPG/5.1 RPG/3.0 APG, 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 2x All-NBA, 7x All Star, 7x Finals Appearances (1983-1985, 1987-1989, 1991)

19. Roger Brown
17.4 PPG/6.2 RPG/3.8 APG, 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 3x All-ABA, 4x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (1969-1970, 1972-1973, 1975)

20. Bernard King
22.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/3.3 APG, 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA

21. Bob Dandridge
18.5 PPG/6.8 RPG/3.4 APG, 4x All-Star, 1x All-NBA, 2x Champion, 4x Finals Appearances (1971, 1974, 1978, 1979)

22. Jamaal Wilkes
17.7 PPG/6.2 RPG/2.5 APG, 3x All-Star, 2x All-Defensive, 4x Champion, 6x Finals Appearances (1975, 1980, 1982-1985)

23. Andre Iguodala “Iggy”
12.1 PPG/5.1 RPG/4.3 APG, 1x All-Star, 2x All-Defensive, 3x Champion, 5x Finals Appearances (2015-2019)

24. Grant Hill
16.7 PPG/6.0 RPG/4.1 APG, 7x All-Star, 5x All-NBA

25. Chet Walker
18.2 PPG/7.1 RPG/2.1 APG, 7x All-Star, 1x Champion

Power Forward

1. Tim Duncan “The Big Fundamental”
19.9 PPG/11.1 RPG/3.1 APG, 5x Champion, 2x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 15x All-NBA, 15x All-Defensive, 15x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2013-2014)

2. Karl Malone “The Mailman”
25.0 PPG/10.1 RPG/3.6 APG, 2x MVP, 14x All-NBA, 14x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1997-1998)

3. Kevin Garnett “KG”
18.6 PPG/10.3 RPG/3.9 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 9x All-NBA, 12x All-Defensive, 15x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (2008, 2010)

4. Bob Pettit
26.4 PPG/16.2 RPG/3.0 APG, 1x Champion, 2x MVP, 11x All-NBA, 11x All Star, 4x Finals Appearances (1957-1958, 1960-1961)

5. Dirk Nowitzki “The German Juggernaut”
20.7 PPG/7.5 RPG/2.4 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 12x All-NBA, 12x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (2006, 2011)

6. Charles Barkley “Sir Charles”
22.1 PPG/11.7 RPG/3.9 APG, 1x MVP, 11x All-NBA, 11x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1993)

7. Dolph Schayes
18.2 PPG/12.1 RPG/3.1 APG, 1x Champion, 12x All-NBA, 12x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1950, 1954, 1955)

8. Elvin Hayes “The Big E”
21.0 PPG/12.5 RPG/1.8 APG, 1x Champion, 6x All-NBA, 12x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1975, 1978-1979)

9. Dennis Rodman “The Worm”
7.3 PPG/13.1 RPG/1.8 APG, 5x Champion, 8x All-Defensive, 2x All-Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1988-1990, 1996-1998)

10. Dan Issel “The Horse”
22.6 PPG/9.1 RPG/2.4 APG, 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA, 7x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1971, 1973, 1975)

11. George McGinnis
20.2 PPG/11.0 RPG/3.7 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 5x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1972-1973, 1975)

12. Kevin McHale “The Black Hole”
17.9 PPG/7.3 RPG/1.7 APG, 3x Champion, 1x All-NBA, 6x All-Defensive, 7x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (1981, 1984-1987)

13. Spencer Haywood
20.3 PPG/10.3 RPG/1.8 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 5x All-NBA, 5x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1980)

14. Tom Heinsohn
18.6 PPG/8.8 RPG/2.0 APG, 8x Champion, 4x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 9x Finals Appearances (1957-1965)

15. Dave DeBusschere
16.1 PPG/11.0 RPG/2.9 APG, 2x Champion, 1x All-NBA, 10x All-Defensive, 8x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1970, 1972-1973)

16. Anthony Davis “The Brow”
24.0 PPG/10.4 RPG/2.2 APG, 3x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 7x All-Star

17. Pau Gasol
17.0 PPG/9.2 RPG/3.2 APG, 2x Champion, 2x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (2008-2010)

18. Bobby Jones
12.1 PPG/6.1 RPG/2.7 APG, 1x Champion, 11x All-Defensive, 5x All-Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1980, 1982, 1983)

19. Giannis Antetokoumpo “The Greek Freak”
20.0 PPG/8.9 RPG/4.3 APG, 2x MVP, 4x All-Star, 4x All-NBA, 2x All-Defensive

20. Jerry Lucas “The Computer”
17.0 PPG/15.6 RPG/3.3 APG, 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA, 7x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1972-1973)

21. Horace Grant
11.2 PPG/8.1 RPG/2.2 APG, 1x All-Star, 4x All-Defensive, 4x Champion, 6x Finals Appearances (1991-1993, 1995, 2001, 2004)

22. Chris Bosh
19.2 PPG/8.6 RPG/2.0 APG, 11x All-Star, 1x All-NBA, 4x Finals Appearances (2011-2014)

23. Chris Webber “C-Webb”
20.7 PPG/9.8 RPG/4.2 APG, 4x All-NBA, 5x All Star

24. Amare Stoudemire
18.9 PPG/7.8 RPG/1.2 APG, 5x All-NBA, 6x All Star

25. Bailey Howell
18.7 PPG/9.9 RPG/2.0 APG, 2x Champion, 1x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1968, 1969)

Center

1. Bill Russell
15.1 PPG/22.5 RPG/4.3 APG, 11x Champion, 5x MVP, 11x All-NBA, 13x All-Defensive, 12x All Star, 12x Finals Appearances (1957-1966, 1968-1969)

2. Wilt Chamberlain “The Big Dipper”
30.1 PPG/22.9 RPG/4.4 APG, 2x Champion, 4x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 12x All-Defensive, 10x All-NBA, 13x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1964, 1967, 1969-1970, 1972-1973)

2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar “Cap”
24.6 PPG/11.2 RPG/3.6 APG, 6x Champion, 6x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 15x All-NBA, 11x All-Defensive, 19x All Star, 10x Finals Appearances (1971, 1974, 1980, 1982-1985, 1987-1989)

4. Shaquille O’Neal  “Diesel”
23.7 PPG/10.9 RPG/2.5 APG, 4x Champion, 1x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 14x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 15x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1995, 2000-2002, 2004, 2006)

5. Hakeem Olajuwon “The Dream”
21.8 PPG/11.1 RPG/2.5 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 12x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive, 12x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1986, 1994-1995)

6. Moses Malone “Chairman of the Boards”
20.6 PPG/12.2 RPG/1.4 APG, 1x Champion, 3x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 8x All-NBA, 2x All-Defensive, 12x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1981, 1983)

7. Artis Gilmore “The A-Train”
18.8 PPG/12.3 RPG/2.3 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 5x All-ABA, 11x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1971, 1973, 1975)

8. David Robinson “The Admiral”
21.1 PPG/10.6 RPG/2.5 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 10x All-NBA, 8x All-Defensive, 10x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1999, 2003)

9. George Mikan “Mr Basketball”
22.6 PPG/13.4 RPG/2.8 APG, 7x Champion, 1x MVP, 6x All-NBA, 4x All Star, 4x Finals Appearances (1950, 1952-1954)

10. Dwight Howard “Superman”
16.8 PPG/12.3 RPG/1.4 APG, 8x All-NBA, 5x All-Defensive, 8x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (2009)

11. Mel Daniels “Big Mel”
18.4 PPG/14.9 RPG/1.8 APG, 3x Champion, 2x MVP, 5x All-ABA, 7x All Star, 5x Finals Appearances (1969-1970, 1972-1973, 1975)

12. Willis Reed “The Captain”
18.7 PPG/12.9 RPG/1.8 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 5x All-NBA, 4x All-Defensive, 7x All Star, 3x Finals Appearances (1970, 1972-1973)

13. Dave Cowens
17.6 PPG/13.6 RPG/3.8 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 3x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 8x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1974, 1976)

14. Patrick Ewing
21.0 PPG/9.8 RPG/2.0 APG, 7x All-NBA, 3x All-Defensive, 11x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1994)

15. Bob McAdoo
22.1 PPG/9.4 RPG/2.3 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 2x All-NBA, 5x All Star, 4x Finals Appearances (1982-1985)

16. Robert Parish “The Chief”
14.5 PPG/9.1 RPG/1.4 APG, 4x Champion, 2x All-NBA, 9x All Star, 6x Finals Appearances (1981, 1984-1987, 1997)

17. Dikembe Mutombo
9.8 PPG/10.3 RPG/1 APG, 6x All-Defensive, 8x All-Star, 1x All-NBA, 1x Finals Appearance (2001)

18. Wes Unseld
10.8 PPG/14.0 RPG/3.9 APG, 1x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1x All-NBA, 5x All Star, 4x Finals Appearances (1971, 1975, 1978-1979)

19. Neil Johnston
19.4 PPG/11.3 RPG/2.5 APG, 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA, 6x All Star, 1x Finals Appearance (1956)

20. Ben Wallace “Big Ben”
5.7 PPG/9.3 RPG/1.6 APG, 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA, 6x All-Defensive, 1x Champion, 2x Finals Appearances (2004-2005)

21. Walt Bellamy
20.1 PPG/13.7 RPG/2.4 APG, 4x All-Star

22. Zelmo Beaty
16 PPG/10.5 RPG/1.5 APG, 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 5x All-Star, 2x All-ABA, 1x Finals Appearance (1971)

23. Alonzo Mourning “Zo”
17.1 PPG/8.5 RPG/1.1 APG, 7x All-Star, 2x All-NBA, 2x All-Defensive, 1x Champion, 1x Finals Appearance (2006)

24. Bob Lanier
20.1 PPG/10.1 RPG/3.1 APG, 8x All Star

25. Bill Walton “Big Red”
13.3 PPG/10.5 RPG/3.4 APG, 2x Champion, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 2x All-NBA, 2x All-Defensive, 2x All Star, 2x Finals Appearances (1977, 1986)

Greatest white players in NBA history
1. Larry Bird
2. Jerry West
3. John Havlicek
4. Bob Pettit
5. Bob Cousy
6. John Stockton
7. Rick Barry
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Steve Nash
10. Bill Walton
11. George Mikan
12. Dolph Schayes
13. Paul Arizin
14. Dave Cowens
15. Dan Issel
16. Kevin McHale
17. Billy Cunningham
18. Jerry Lucas
19. Pete Maravich
20. Neil Johnston

All-NBA teams for 2K18 simulation
1st team – Lakers uniform range: 92-99

2K20:

Starting: Magic Johnston, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Karl Malone, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Backup: Jerry West, Tracy McGrady, Elgin Baylor, Anthony Davis, Shaq
Reserve: Pau Gasol, James Worthy, George Mikan

Starting: Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Elvin Hayes, Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Backup: Walt Frazier, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Dan Issel, Shaq
Reserve: James Worthy, Tracy McGrady, George Mikan

2nd team – Celtics uniform range 88-98

2K20:

Starting: Bob Cousy, Ray Allen, Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, Bill Russell
Backup: Dennis Johnson, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Kevin McHale, Dave Cowens
Reserve: Tom Heinsohn, Paul Pierce, Robert Parish

Starting: Bob Cousy, James Harden, Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, Bill Russell
Backup: Dennis Johnson, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Kevin McHale, Dave Cowens
Reserve: Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Tom Heinsohn

3rd team – 76ers uniform range 88-98

2K20:

Starting: Oscar Robertson, Allen Iverson, Julius Erving, George McGinnis, Moses Malone
Backup: Russell Westbrook, Clyde Drexler, Billy Cunningham, Jerry Lucas, Dwight Howard
Reserve: Bobby Jones, Horace Grant, Dikembe Mutombo

Starting: John Stockton, Allen Iverson, Julius Erving, Bob Pettit, Wilt Chamberlain
Backup: Oscar Robertson, Clyde Drexler , Billy Cunningham, Spencer Haywood, Moses Malone
Reserve: Russell Westbrook, Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo

4th team – Bulls uniform range 91-99

2K20:

Starting: Jason Kidd, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dan Issel, Hakeem Olajuwon
Backup: Walt Frazier, Dwayne Wade, Connie Hawkins, Spencer Haywood, Artis Gilmore
Reserve: Tiny Archibald, Dominique Wilkins, Wes Unseld

Starting: Jason Kidd, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing
Backup: Tiny Archibald, David Thompson, George McGinnis, Chris Webber, Wes Unseld
Reserve: Vince Carter, Alex English, Artis Gilmore

5th team – Warriors uniform range 91-98

2K20:

Starting: Steph Curry, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Bob Pettit, Wilt Chamberlain
Backup: John Stockton, Sidney Moncrief, Rick Barry, Elvin Hayes, Patrick Ewing
Reserve: Chris Webber, Jack Sikma, Nate Thurmond

Starting: Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Hakeem Olajuwon
Backup: Chris Paul, Mitch Richmond, Rick Barry, Jerry Lucas, Nate Thurmond
Reserve: Tim Hardaway, Connie Hawkins, Bob Lanier

6th team – Spurs uniform 89-98

2K20:

Starting: Chris Paul, Michael Cooper, George Gervin, Tim Duncan, David Robinson
Backup: Steve Nash, Manu Ginobili, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, Willis Reed
Reserve: Tony Parker, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony

Starting: Steve Nash, George Gervin, Kawhi Leonard, Tim Duncan, David Robinson
Backup: Gary Payton, Sidney Moncrief, Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Davis, Bill Walton
Reserve: Tony Parker, Blake Griffin, Alonzo Mourning

7th team – Pistons uniform

2K20:

Starting: Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Adrian Dantley, Dave Debusschere, Bob Lanier
Backup: Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Giannis, Dennis Rodman, Bill Walton
Reserve: Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, Alex English

Starting: Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Grant Hill, Dave Debusschere, Willis Reed
Backup: Dave Bing, Pete Maravich, Adrian Dantley, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard
Reserve: Bernard King, Chauncey Billups, Pau Gasol

Note: All players on these teams are top 125 players all time. Charles Barkley, Hal Greer, Dolph Schayes, Paul Arizin, Neil Johnston, Bill Sharman, Mel Daniels, Roger Brown, Reggie Miller are all missing from the game due to licensing issue else they might have appeared on here.

All-NBA team for each decade
1950s:
PG: Bob Cousy/Slater Martin
SG: Bill Sharman/Richie Guerin
SF: Paul Arizin/George Yardley
PF: Bob Pettit /Dolph Schayes
C: George Mikan/Neil Johnston

1960s:
PG: Oscar Robertson/Dave Bing
SG: Jerry West/Hal Greer
SF: Elgin Baylor/Billy Cunningham
PF: Willis Reed/Jerry Lucas
C: Wilt Chamberlain/Bill Russell

1970s:
PG: Walt Frazier/Tiny Archibald
SG: John Havlicek/Pete Maravich
SF: Rick Barry/Bob McAdoo
PF: Elvin Hayes/Dave Cowens
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Bill Walton

1980s:
PG: Magic Johnson/Isiah Thomas
SG: George Gervin/Sidney Moncrief
SF: Larry Bird/Dominique Wilkins
PF: Julius Erving/Kevin McHale
C: Moses Malone/Patrick Ewing

1990s:
PG: John Stockton/Gary Payton
SG: Michael Jordan/Mitch Richmond
SF: Scottie Pippen/Clyde Drexler
PF: Karl Malone/Charles Barkley
C: Hakeem Olajuwon/David Robinson

2000s:
PG: Jason Kidd/Steve Nash
SG: Kobe Bryant/Allen Iverson
SF: Dwayne Wade/Paul Pierce
PF: Kevin Garnett/Dirk Nowitzki
C: Shaquille O’Neal/Tim Duncan

2010s:
PG: Chris Paul/Stephen Curry
SG: James Harden/Russell Westbrook
SF: Kevin Durant/Kawhi Leonard
PF: Lebron James/Giannis Antetokounmpo
C: Anthony Davis/Dwight Howard

2K teams
1960s team (Celtics uni): Oscar,Cousy, West, Greer/Sam Jones, Baylor, Cunningham, Pettit,Lucas, Wilt, Russell, Heinsohn, Reed
1970s team (Knicks uni): Frazier, Archibald, Maravich, Thompson, Barry, Hondo, Hayes, Issel, Cowens, Walton, Thurmond, Gervin
1980s team (Lakers uni): Magic, Isiah, Moncrief, Dumars, Bird, Dr J, McHale, Barkley, Moses, Kareem, Dennis Johnson, Wilkins
1990s team (Bulls uni): Stockton, Payton, Jordan, Drexler, Pippen, Hill, Malone, Rodman, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Richmond
2000s team (Spurs uni): Kidd, Nash, Kobe, Iverson, Pierce, Melo, Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Dwight, Tmac, Webber
2010s team (Warriors uni): Chris Paul, Steph Curry, Wade, Harden, Lebron, Durant, Dirk, Davis, Embiid, Cousins, Westbrook, Giannis

2K Divison teams
All time Atlantic Team:
Starting: Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley (76ers) / Kevin McHale (Celtics), Bill Russell (Celtics)
Backup: Jason Kidd (Nets), Allen Iverson (76ers), Julius Erving (76ers), Jerry Lucas (Royals, Knicks), Wilt Chamberlain (76ers)
Reserve: Walt Frazier (Knicks), Willis Reed (Knicks),  Sam Jones (Celtics)

All time Central Team:
Starting: Oscar Robertson (Bucks), Michael Jordan (Bulls), Scottie Pippen (Bulls), Dennis Rodman (Pistons), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Bucks)
Backup: Isiah Thomas (Pistons), Joe Dumars (Pistons), Bob Dandridge (Bucks), Dave Debusschere (Pistons), Artis Gilmore (Bulls)
Reserve: George McGinnis (Pacers), Bob Lanier (Pistons) / Mel Daniels (Pacers), Sidney Moncrief (Bucks)

All time Southeast Team:
Starting:  Penny Hardaway (Magic), Dwayne Wade (Heat), Lebron James (Heat), Bob Pettit (Hawks), Dwight Howard (Magic)
Backup: Tim Hardaway (Heat), Tracy McGrady (Magic), Dominique Wilkins (Hawks), Elvin Hayes (Bullets), Wes Unseld (Bullets)
Reserve: Earl Monroe (Wizards), Alonzo Mourning (Heat), Chris Bosh (Heat)

All time Northwest Team:
Starting: John Stockton (Jazz), Clyde Drexler (Blazers), Kevin Durant (Thunder), Karl Malone (Jazz), Bill Walton (Blazers)
Backup: Russell Westbrook (Thunder), Ray Allen (Sonics), Carmelo Anthony (Nuggets), Kevin Garnett (Wolves), Jack Sikma (Sonics)
Reserve: Gary Payton (Sonics), Dan Issel (Nuggets), Spencer Haywood (Sonics)

All time Pacific Team:
Starting: Magic Johnson (Lakers), Kobe Bryant (Lakers), Rick Barry (Warriors), Chris Webber (Kings), Shaq (Center)
Backup: Jerry West (Lakers), Michael Cooper (Lakers), Elgin Baylor (Lakers), Amar’e Stoudemire (Suns), Bob McAdoo (Clippers)
Reserve: Steph Curry (Warriors), Steve Nash (Suns), Connie Hawkins (Suns)

All time Southwest Team:
Starting: Chris Paul (Pelicans), James Harden (Rockets), George Gervin (Spurs), Tim Duncan (Spurs), Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets)
Backup: Tony Parker (Spurs), Manu Ginobili (Spurs), Kawhi Leonard (Spurs), Dirk Nowitzki (Mavs), Moses Malone (Rockets)
Reserve: David Robinson (Spurs), Anthony Davis (Pelicans), Pau Gasol (Grizzlies)

Greatest players for each NBA team
Boston Celtics – Bill Russell – 11 rings, 12 Finals, 5 MVPs with the Celtics
Brooklyn Nets – Julius Erving – 2 rings, 3 Finals, 3 MVPs with the Nets
New York Knicks – Willis Reed – 2 rings, 3 Finals, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVPs with the Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers – Wilt Chamberlain – 1 ring, 1 Finals, 3 MVPs with the 76ers
Toronto Raptors – Kawhi Leonard – 1 ring, 1 Finals, 1 Finals MVP with the Raptors
Dallas Mavericks – Dirk Nowitzki – 1 ring, 2 Finals, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP with the Mavs
Houston Rockets – Hakeem Olajuwon – 2 rings, 3 Finals, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVPs with the Rockets
Memphis Grizzlies – Marc Gasol
New Orleans Pelicans – Anthony Davis
San Antonio Spurs – Tim Duncan – 5 rings, 6 Finals, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs with the Spurs
Chicago Bulls – Michael Jordan – 6 rings, 6 Finals, 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs with the Bulls
Cleveland Cavaliers – Lebron James – 1 ring, 5 Finals, 2 MVPs, 1 Finals MVP with the Cavs
Detroit Pistons – Isiah Thomas – 2 rings, 3 Finals, 1 Finals MVP with the Pistons
Indiana Pacers – Mel Daniels – 3 rings, 4 Finals, 2 MVPs with the Pacers
Milwaukee Bucks – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – 1 ring, 2 Finals, 3 MVPs, 1 Finals MVP with the Bucks
Denver Nuggets – Alex English
Minnesota Timberwolves – Kevin Garnett – 1 MVP with the Timberwolves
Oklahoma City Thunder – Kevin Durant – 1 Finals, 1 MVP with the OKC
Portland Trail Blazers – Bill Walton – 1 Finals, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP with the Trailblazers
Utah Jazz – Karl Malone – 2 Finals, 2 MVPs with the Jazz
Atlanta Hawks – Bob Pettit (St Louis Hawks) – 1 ring, 4 Finals, 2 MVPs with the Hawks
Charlotte Hornets – Kemba Walker
Miami Heat – Dwyane Wade – 3 rings, 5 Finals, 1 Finals MVP with the Heat
Orlando Magic – Dwight Howard – 1 Finals with the Magic
Washington Wizards – Wes Unseld (Baltimore Bullets) – 1 ring, 4 Finals, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP with the Bullets
Golden State Warriors – Stephen Curry – 3 rings, 5 Finals, 2 MVPs with the Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers – Chris Paul
Los Angeles Lakers – Magic Johnson – 5 rings, 9 Finals, 3 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs with the Lakers
Phoenix Suns – Steve Nash – 2 MVPs with the Suns
Sacramento Kings – Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati Royals)- 1 MVP with the Royals

Top 10 what if? careers in NBA history
1. Bill Walton (ankle injuries limited him, but when healthy was MVP, Finals MVP and champion)
2. Arvydas Sabonis (came into NBA post prime but was supposedly one of the most skilled big men ever like a 7’3 foot Hakeem)
3. Maurice Stokes (averaged 16 points and 17 rebounds a game before hitting his head on the floor and becoming a quadriplegic for the rest of his life 🙁 )
4. David Thompson (was pre-Michael Jordan basically before he got into coke problems in the late 70s; scored 73 points in a game before)
5. Grant Hill (was pre-Lebron James before ankle injuries)
6. Drazen Petrovic (a rising all star shooting guard before he died in a car accident only 28 years old)
7. Bernard King (averaged 33 points a game and was on his way becoming a top forward in the 80s before he tore his ACL and wasnt the same again)
8. Penny Hardaway (a Magic-like player who was one of the top point guards before injuries got to him)
9. Derrick Rose (former MVP who was going to be one of the top point guards of his generation but tore his ACL and wasnt the same again)
10.Tracy McGrady (could have been better than Kobe and Iverson if he didn’t have so many back injuries)
Honorable mentions: Yao Ming, Len Bias (never played in NBA but died of cocaine overdose before he could have), Pete Maravich (at his peak before suffering knee injuries), Ralph Sampson

Top 10 #1 draft picks all time

1. Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1969)
2. Lebron James (2003)
3. Magic Johnson (1979)
4. Tim Duncan (1997)
5. Shaquille O’Neal (1992)
6. Hakeem Olajuwon (1984)
7. David Robinson (1987)
8. Allen Iverson (1996)
9. Elgin Baylor (1958)
10. Dwight Howard (2004)

Top 20 greatest college players of all time

  1. Kareem Abdul Jabbar (26.4 PPG, 15.5 RPG)
  2. Bill Walton (20.3 PPG, 15.7 RPG)
  3. Bill Russell (20.7 PPG, 20.3 RPG)
  4. Pete Maravich (44.2 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.1 APG)
  5. Oscar Robertson (33.8 PPG, 15.2 RPG)
  6. David Thompson (26.8 PPG, 8.1 RPG)
  7. Jerry Lucas (24.3 PPG, 17.2 RPG)
  8. Tom Gola (20.9 PPG, 18.7 RPG)
  9. Elvin Hayes (31 PPG, 17.2 RPG)
  10. Larry Bird (30.3 PPG, 13.3 RPG, 4.6 APG)
  11. Christian Laettner (16.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 1.8 APG)
  12. Ralph Sampson (16.9 PPG, 11.4 RPG)
  13. Wilt Chamberlain (29.9 PPG, 18.3 RPG)
  14. Shaq (21.6 PPG, 13.5 RPG, 1.7 APG)
  15. Tim Duncan (16.5 PPG, 12.3 RPG, 2.3 APG)
  16. Magic Johnson (17.1 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 7.9 APG)
  17. Jerry West (24.8 PPG, 13.3 RPG, 2.8 APG)
  18. Artis Gilmore (24.3 PPG, 22.7 RPG)
  19. Tyler Hansborough (20.2 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 1.1 APG)
  20. Dan Issel (25.8 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 1.2 APG)

Top 20 greatest offensive players of all time

1. Michael Jordan (10x scoring titles, 12x seasons 25pts+)
2. Wilt Chamberlain (7x scoring titles, 10x seasons 25pts+)
3. Kobe Bryant (2x scoring titles, 12x seasons 25pts+)
4. Jerry West (1x scoring title, 11x seasons 25pts+)
5. Allen Iverson (4x scoring titles, 11x seasons 25pts+)
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (2x scoring titles, 10x seasons 25pts+)
7. Karl Malone (12x seasons 25pts+)
8. Kevin Durant (4x scoring titles, 9x seasons 25pts+)
9. Dominique Wilkins (1x scoring title, 10x seasons 25pts+)
10. George Gervin (4x scoring titles, 8x seasons 25pts+)
11. Lebron James (1x scoring title, 13x seasons 25pts+)
12. Shaquille O’Neal (2x scoring titles, 10x seasons 25pts+)
13. Elgin Baylor (8x seasons 25pts+)
14. Oscar Robertson (9x seasons 25pts+)
15. Rick Barry (2x scoring titles, 8x seasons 25pts+)
16. Bob Pettit (2x scoring titles, 7x seasons 25pts+)
17. Bob McAdoo (3x scoring titles, 7x seasons 25pts+)
18. Adrian Dantley (2x scoring titles, 8x seasons 25pts+)
19 Carmelo Anthony (1x scoring title, 9x seasons 25pts+)
20. Alex English (1x scoring title, 8x seasons 25pts+)

Top 20 greatest defensive players of all time
1. Bill Russell (4x rebounding leader, 1x All-D 1st team)
2. Wilt Chamberlain (11x rebounding leader, 2x All-D 1st team)
3. Hakeem Olajuwon (2x rebounding leader, 3x blocks leader, 2x DPOY, 5x All-D 1st team)
4. Dikembe Mutombo (2x rebounding leader, 3x blocks leader, 4x DPOY, 3x All-D 1st team)
5. Nate Thurmond (2x All-D 1st team)
6. Ben Wallace (2x rebounding leader, 1x blocks leader, 4x DPOY, 5x All-D 1st team)
7. David Robinson (1x rebounding leader, 1x blocks leader, 1x DPOY, 4x All-D 1st team)
8. Kevin Garnett (4x rebounding leader, 1x DPOY, 9x All-D 1st team)
9. Dennis Rodman (7x rebounding leader, 2x DPOY, 7x All-D 1st team)
10. Scottie Pippen (1x steals leader, 8x All-D 1st team)
11. Michael Jordan (3x steals leader, 1x DPOY, 9x All-D 1st team)
12. Dwight Howard (5x rebounding leader, 2x blocks leader, 3x DPOY, 4x All-D 1st team)
13. Gary Payton (1x steals leader, 1x DPOY, 9x All-D 1st team)
14. Sidney Moncrief (2x DPOY, 4x All-D 1st team)
15. Tim Duncan (8x All-D 1st team)
16. Walt Frazier (7x All-D 1st team)
17. Kawhi Leonard (1x steals leader, 2x DPOY, 3x All-D 1st team)
18. Bobby Jones (8x All-D 1st team)
19. Mark Eaton (4x blocks leader, 2x DPOY, 3x All-D 1st team)
20. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1x rebounding leader, 4x blocks leader, 5x All-D 1st team)

Top 20 Greatest NBA teams of all time
1. 1996 Chicago Bulls (72-10, 15-3, HOFers: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman)
2. 2017 Golden State Warriors (67-15, 16-1, HOFers: Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green)
3. 1997 Chicago Bulls (69-13, 15-4, HOFers: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman)
4. 1967 Philadelphia 76ers (68-13, 15-4, HOFers: Wilt Chamberlain, Billy Cunningham, Hal Greer, Chet Walker)
5. 1972 LA Lakers (69-13, 12-3, HOFers: Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Gail Goodrich, Elgin Baylor)
6. 1986 Boston Celtics (67-15, 15-3, HOFers: Larry Bird, Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson, Bill Walton)
7. 1971 Milwaukee Bucks (66-16, 12-2, HOFers: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson) 60
8. 1987 LA Lakers (65-17, 15-3, HOFers: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, James Worthy) 60
9. 1992 Chicago Bulls (67-15, 15-7, HOFers: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen)60
10. 1983 Philadelphia 76ers (65-17, 12-1, HOFers: Julius Erving, Moses Malone) 59
11. 2013 Miami Heat (66-16, 16-7, HOFers: Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen) 59
12. 2009 LA Lakers (65-15, 16-7, HOFers: Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol)59
13. 1989 Detroit Pistons (63-19, 15-2, HOFers: Adrian Dantley, Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman)57
14. 2008 Boston Celtics (66-16, 16-10, HOFers: Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce) 56
15. 1985 LA Lakers (62-20, 15-4, HOFers: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Bob McAdoo, Jamaal Wilkes, James Worthy) 53
16. 1999 San Antonio Spurs (37-13, 15-2, HOFers: Tim Duncan, David Robinson) 53
17. 1965 Boston Celtics (62-18, 8-4, HOFers: John Havlicek, Tom Heinsohn, KC Jones, Sam Jones, Satch Sanders, Bill Russell)
18. 2001 LA Lakers (56-26, 15-1, HOFers: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal)
19. 1970 New York Knicks (60-22, 12-7, HOFers: Bill Bradley, Dave Debusschere, Walt Frazier, Willis Reed)
20. 1961 Boston Celtics (57-22, 8-2, HOFers: Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn, KC Jones, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, Bill Russell, Satch Sanders, Bill Sharman)

Here’s my take on the 100 greatest players in NBA/ABA history as of 2020

  1. Michael Jordan “Air Jordan” – 6x Champion, 5x MVP – 30.1 PPG/6.2 RPG/5.3 APG
  2. Wilt Chamberlain “The Big Dipper” – 4x MVP, 11x Rebounding leader – 30.1 PPG/22.9 RPG/4.4 APG
  3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar “Cap” – 6x Champion, 6x MVP – 24.6 PPG/11.2 RPG/3.6 APG
  4. Bill Russell “Russell” – 11x Champion, 5x MVP – 15.1 PPG/22.5 RPG/4.3 APG
  5. Lebron James “King James” – 4x MVP, 3x Finals MVP – 27.1 PPG/7.4 RPG/7.4 APG
  6. Magic Johnson – 5x Champion, 3x MVP – 19.5 PPG/7.2 RPG/11.2 APG
  7. Tim Duncan “The Big Fundamental” – 5x Champion, 2x MVP – 19.0 PPG/10.8 RPG/3.0 APG
  8. Larry Bird “Larry Legend” – 3x Champion, 3x MVP – 24.3 PPG/10.0 RPG/6.3 APG
  9. Kobe Bryant “The Black Mamba” – 5x Champion, 1x MVP – 25.0 PPG/5.2 RPG/4.7 APG
  10. Shaquille O’Neal “Diesel” – 4x Champion, 3x Finals MVP – 23.7 PPG/10.9 RPG/2.5 APG
  11. Hakeem Olajuwon “The Dream” – 2x Champion, 2x Finals MVP – 21.8 PPG/11.1 RPG/2.5 APG
  12. Julius Erving “Dr. J” – 3x Champion, 4x MVP – 24.2 PPG/6.7 RPG/4.2 APG
  13. Jerry West “Mr. Clutch” – 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 27.0 PPG/5.8 RPG/6.7 APG
  14. Oscar Robertson “The Big O” – 1x Champion, 1x MVP – 25.7 PPG/7.5 RPG/9.5 APG
  15. Karl Malone “The Mailman” – 2x MVP, 13x All-NBA – 25.0 PPG/10.1 RPG/3.6 APG
  16. Moses Malone “Chairman of the Boards” – 1x Champion, 3x MVP – 20.6 PPG/12.2 RPG/1.4 APG
  17. John Havlicek “Hondo” – 8x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 20.8 PPG/6.3 RPG/4.8 APG
  18. Kevin Garnett “The Big Ticket” – 1x MVP, 12x All-Defensive -18.6 PPG/10.3 RPG/3.9 APG
  19. Bob Pettit – 1x Champion, 2x MVP – 26.4 PPG/16.2 RPG/3.0 APG
  20. Kevin Durant “Durantula” – 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP – 27.4 PPG/6.9 RPG/3.5 APG
  21. David Robinson “The Admiral” – 2x Champion, 1x MVP – 21.1 PPG/10.6 RPG/2.5 APG
  22. Dirk Nowitzki “The German Juggernaut” – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 20.7 PPG/7.5 RPG/2.4 APG
  23. Charles Barkley “Round Mound of Rebound” – 1x MVP, 10x All-NBA – 22.1 PPG/11.7 RPG/3.9 APG
  24. Elgin Baylor “Mr. Inside” – 10x All-NBA, 11x All-Star – 27.4 PPG/13.5 RPG/4.6 APG
  25. Rick Barry “The Miami Greyhound” – 1x Finals MVP, 10x All-NBA/ABA – 24.8 PPG/6.7 RPG/4.9 APG
  26. Scottie Pippen “Pip” – 6x Champion, 10x All-Defensive – 16.1 PPG/6.4 RPG/5.2 APG
  27. Chris Paul “CP3” – 8x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive – 18.7 PPG/4.4 RPG/9.5 APG
  28. John Stockton – 8x All-NBA, 9x Assist leader – 13.1 PPG/2.7 RPG/10.5 APG
  29. Bob Cousy “Houdini of the Hardwood” – 6x Champion, 1x MVP – 18.4 PPG/5.2 RPG/7.5 APG
  30. Stephen Curry “Chef Curry” – 3x Champion, 2x MVP – 23.5 PPG/4.5 RPG/6.6 APG
  31. Jason Kidd “J-Kidd” – 6x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive – 12.6 PPG/6.3 RPG/8.7 APG
  32. Walt Frazier “Clyde” – 2x Champion, 9x All-Defensive – 18.9 PPG/5.9 RPG/6.1 APG
  33. Dwayne Wade “Flash” – 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 22.0 PPG/4.7 RPG/5.4 APG
  34. Isiah Thomas “Zeke” – 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 19.2 PPG/3.6 RPG/9.3 APG
  35. George Mikan “Mr Basketball” – 5x Champion, 3x Scoring leader – 23.1 PPG/13.4 RPG/2.8 APG
  36. Elvin Hayes “The Big E” – 1x Champion, 6x All-NBA – 21.0 PPG/12.5 RPG/1.8 APG
  37. Artis Gilmore “A-Train” – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 18.8 PPG/12.3 RPG/2.3 APG
  38. James Harden “The Beard” – 1x MVP, 7x All-NBA – 25.1 PPG/5.3 RPG/6.3 APG
  39. Allen Iverson “The Answer” – 1x MVP, 4x Scoring leader – 26.7 PPG/3.7 RPG/6.2 APG
  40. Gary Payton “The Glove” – 7x All-NBA, 9x All-Defensive – 16.3 PPG/3.9 RPG/6.7 APG
  41. George Gervin “The Iceman” – 9x All-NBA/ABA, 4x Scoring leader – 25.1 PPG/5.2 RPG/2.5 APG
  42. Steve Nash – 2x MVP, 5x Assist leader – 14.3 PPG/3.0 RPG/8.5 APG
  43. Kawhi Leonard “The Claw” – 2x Champion, 2x Finals MVP – 18.6 PPG/6.4 RPG/2.7 APG
  44. Russell Westbrook “Beastbrook” – 1x MVP, 7x All-NBA – 23.2 PPG/7.1 RPG/8.3 APG
  45. Patrick Ewing – 7x All-NBA, 11x All-Star – 21.0 PPG/9.8 RPG/2.0 APG
  46. Dwight Howard “Superman” – 6x All-NBA, 5x Rebounding leader – 16.8 PPG/12.3 RPG/1.4 APG
  47. Dolph Schayes – 1x Champion, 12x All-NBA – 18.2 PPG/12.1 RPG/3.1 APG
  48. Willis Reed “Captain” – 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP – 18.7 PPG/12.9 RPG/1.8 APG
  49. Mel Daniels “Big Mel” – 3x Champion, 2x MVP – 18.4 PPG/14.9 RPG/1.8 APG
  50. Dave Cowens – 2x Champion, 1x MVP – 17.6 PPG/13.6 RPG/3.8 APG
  51. Kevin McHale “The Black Hole” – 3x Champion, 6x All-Defensive – 17.9 PPG/7.3 RPG/1.7 APG
  52. Anthony Davis “The Brow” – 4x All-NBA, 4x All-Defensive – 24.0 PPG/10.4 RPG/2.2 APG
  53. Bob McAdoo – 1x MVP, 3x Scoring leader – 22.1 PPG/9.4 RPG/2.3 APG
  54. Dan Issel “The Horse” – 1x Champion, 5x All-ABA – 22.6 PPG/9.1 RPG/2.4 APG
  55. George McGinnis – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 20.2 PPG/11.0 RPG/3.7 APG
  56. Paul Arizin “Pitchin Paul” – 1x Champion, 2x Scoring leader – 22.8 PPG/8.6 RPG/2.3 APG
  57. Paul Pierce “The Truth” – 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 19.7 PPG/5.6 RPG/3.5 APG
  58. Clyde Drexler “The Glide” – 1x Champion, 3x All-NBA – 20.4 PPG/6.1 RPG/5.6 APG
  59. Giannis Antetokounmpo “The Greek Freak” – 2x MVP, 5x All-NBA – 20.0 PPG/8.9 RPG/4.3 APG
  60. Dennis Rodman “The Worm” – 8x All-Defensive, 7x Rebounding leader – 7.3 PPG/13.1 RPG/1.8 APG
  61. Spencer Haywood – 1x Champion, 1x MVP – 20.3 PPG/10.3 RPG/1.8 APG
  62. Sam Jones – 10x Champion, 3x All-NBA – 17.7 PPG/4.9 RPG/2.5 APG
  63. Dennis Johnson “DJ” – 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 14.9 PPG/3.9 RPG/5.0 APG
  64. Connie Hawkins “The Hawk” – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 18.7 PPG/8.8 RPG/4.1 APG
  65. Billy Cunningham “Kangaroo Kid” – 1x Champion, 1x MVP – 21.2 PPG/10.4 RPG/4.3 APG
  66. Jerry Lucas “The Computer” – 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA – 17.0 PPG/15.6 RPG/3.3 APG
  67. Dave Debusschere – 2x Champion, 10x All-Defensive – 16.1 PPG/11.0 RPG/2.9 APG
  68. Dominique Wilkins “The Human Highlight Reel” – 5x All-NBA, 1x Scoring leader – 24.8 PPG/6.7 RPG/2.5 APG
  69. Tony Parker – 4x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 15.5 PPG/2.7 RPG/5.6 APG
  70. Wes Unseld “Big Wes” – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 10.8 PPG/14.0 RPG/3.9 APG
  71. Pau Gasol – 2x Champion, 6x All-Star – 17.0 PPG/9.2 RPG/3.2 APG
  72. Bill Walton – 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP – 13.3 PPG/10.5 RPG/3.4 APG
  73. Robert Parish “The Chief” – 4x Champion, 2x All-NBA – 14.5 PPG/9.1 RPG/1.4 APG
  74. Ray Allen – 2x Champion, 10x All-Star – 18.9 PPG/4.1 RPG/3.4 APG
  75. Hal Greer – 1x Champion, 7x All-NBA – 19.2 PPG/5.0 RPG/4.0 APG
  76. Tracy McGrady “T-mac” – 5x All-NBA, 2x Scoring leader – 19.6 PPG/5.6 RPG/4.4 APG
  77. Adrian Dantley – 2x All-NBA, 2x Scoring leader – 24.3 PPG/5.7 RPG/3.0 APG
  78. Carmelo Anthony “Melo” – 2x All-NBA, 1x Scoring leader – 23.6 PPG/6.5 RPG/2.9 APG
  79. Alex English – 3x All-NBA, 1x Scoring leader – 21.5 PPG/5.5 RPG/3.6 APG
  80. James Worthy “Big Game James” – 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 17.6 PPG/5.1 RPG/3.0 APG
  81. Roger Brown – 3x Champion, 1x Finals MVP -17.4 PPG/6.2 RPG/3.8 APG
  82. Tiny Archibald – 1x Champion, 5x All-NBA – 18.8 PPG/2.3 RPG/7.4 APG
  83. Chris Webber “C-Webb” – 4x All-NBA, 1x Rebounding leader – 20.7 PPG/9.8 RPG/4.2 APG
  84. Bobby Jones – 1x Champion, 11x All-Defensive – 12.1 PPG/6.1 RPG/2.7 APG
  85. Tom Heinsohn – 8x Champion, 4x All-NBA – 18.6 PPG/8.8 RPG/2.0 APG
  86. Bill Sharman – 4x Champion, 7x All-NBA – 17.8 PPG/3.9 RPG/3.0 APG
  87. Neil Johnston – 1x Champion, 3x Scoring leader – 19.4 PPG/11.3 RPG/2.5 APG
  88. Dikembe Mutombo – 6x All-Defensive, 2x Rebounding leader – 9.8 PPG/10.3 RPG/1 APG
  89. Sidney Moncrief – 5x All-NBA, 5x All-Defensive – 15.6 PPG/4.7 RPG/3.6 APG
  90. Joe Dumars – 2x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 16.1 PPG/2.2 RPG/4.5 APG
  91. Chauncey Billups “Mr Big Shot” – 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP -15.2 PPG/2.9 RPG/5.4 APG
  92. Nate Thurmond “Nate the Great” – 7x All-Star, 5x All-Defensive – 15.0 PPG / 15.0 RPG / 2.7 APG
  93. Alonzo Mourning “Zo” – 1x Champion, 7x All-Star – 17.1 PPG/8.5 RPG/1.1 APG
  94. Walt Bellamy – 4x All-Star – 20.1 PPG/13.7 RPG/2.4 APG
  95. Bob Lanier – 8x All-Star – 20.1 PPG/10.1 RPG/3.1 APG
  96. Zelmo Beaty – 1x Champion, 1x Finals MVP – 16 PPG/10.5 RPG/1.5 APG
  97. Chris Bosh – 2x Champion, 11x All-Star – 19.2 PPG / 8.5 RPG / 2 APG
  98. Amar’e Stoudemire – 6x All-Star, 5x All-NBA – 18.9 PPG / 7.8 RPG / 1.2 APG
  99. Ben Wallace “Big Ben” – 1x Champion, 6x All-Defensive – 5.7 PPG/9.6 RPG/1.3 APG
  100. Reggie Miller – 5x All Star – 18.2 PPG/3.0 RPG/3.0 APG
  101. Bailey Howell – 6x All-Star, 2x Champion – 18.7 PPG / 9.9 RPG / 2 APG
  102. Bob Dandridge – 4x All-Star, 2x Champion – 18.5 PPG / 6.8 RPG / 3.4 APG
  103. Bernard King – 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 22.5 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 3.3 APG
  104. Damian Lillard “Dame” – 5x All-Star, 4x All-NBA – 24.0 PPG / 4.2 RPG / 6.5 APG
  105. Mitch Richmond – 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 21 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 3.5 APG
  106. David Thompson “Skywalker” – 5x All-Star, 3x All-NBA/ABA – 22.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG / 3.3 APG
  107. Pete Maravich “Pistol” – 5x All-Star, 4x All-NBA – 24.2 PPG / 4.2 RPG / 5.4 APG
  108. Blake Griffin – 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 21.7 PPG / 8.8 PRG / 4.4 APG
  109. Grant Hill – 7x All-Star, 5x All-NBA – 16.7 PPG / 6.0 RPG / 4.1 APG
  110. Vince Carter “Vinsanity” – 8x All-Star, 1x All-NBA – 16.7 PPG / 4.3 RPG / 3.1 APG
  111. Jack Sikma – 7x All-Star, 1x Champion – 15.6 PPG / 9.8 RPG / 3.2 APG
  112. Dave Bing – 7x All-Star, 1x Scoring leader – 20.3 PPG / 3.8 RPG / 6.0 APG
  113. Kevin Johnson “KJ” – 3x All-Star, 4x All-NBA -17.9 PPG / 3.3 RPG / 9.1 APG
  114. Kyrie Irving – 6x All-Star, 1x Champion – 22.4 PPG / 3.7 RPG / 5.7 APG
  115. Jo Jo White – 7x All-Star, 2x Champion – 17.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.9 APG
  116. Lenny Wilkens – 9x All-Star, 1x Assists leader – 16.5 PPG / 4.7 RPG / 6.7 APG
  117. Lamarcus Aldridge – 7x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 19.6 PPG / 8.4 RPG / 2.0 APG
  118. Kevin Love – 5x All-Star, 1x Rebounding leader – 18.3 PPG / 11.3 RPG / 2.3 APG
  119. Marques Johnson –  5x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 20.1 PPG / 7.0 RPG / 3.6 APG
  120. Shawn Kemp – 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 14.6 PPG / 8.4 RPG / 1.6 APG
  121. Chet Walker – 7x All-Star, 1x Champion – 18.2 PPG / 7.0 RPG / 2.1 APG
  122. Cliff Hagan – 6x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 17.7 PPG / 6.6 RPG / 3.2 APG
  123. Walter Davis “Greyhound” – 6x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 18.9 PPG / 3.8 RPG / 3.0 APG
  124. Maurice Lucas “The Enforcer” – 5x All-Star, 1x All-NBA – 14.6 PPG / 9.1 RPG / 2.4 APG
  125. Tim Hardaway – 5x All-Star, 4x All-NBA – 17.7 PPG / 3.3 RPG / 8.2 APG
  126. Chris Mullin – 5x All-Star, 3x All-NBA – 18.2 PPG / 4.1 RPG / 3.5 APG
  127. Klay Thompson – 5x All-Star, 3x Champion – 19.5 PPG / 3.5 RPG / 2.3 APG
  128. Gail Goodrich – 5x All-Star, 1x Champion – 18.6 PPG / 3.2 RPG / 4.7 APG
  129. Earl Monroe “The Pearl” – 4x All-Star, 1x Champion – 18.8 PPG / 3.0 RPG / 3.9 APG
  130. Derrick Rose “DRose” – 3x All-Star, 1x MVP – 18.8 PPG / 3.4 RPG / 5.6 APG
  131. Jimmy Jones – 6x All-Star, 3x All-ABA – 16.6 PPG / 4.3 RPG / 4.5 APG
  132. Louie Dampier – 7x All-Star, 4x All-ABA – 17.1 PPG / 2.8 RPG /  5.2 APG
  133. Bob Love – 3x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 17.6 PPG / 5.9 RPG / 1.4 APG
  134. Willie Wise – 3x All-Star, 2x All-ABA – 17.6 PPG / 8.3 RPG / 2.9 APG
  135. Alvin Robertson – 4x All-Star, 6x All-Defensive – 14.0 PPG / 5.2 RPG / 5.0 APG
  136. Paul George – 6x All-Star, 1x All-NBA – 19.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 3.3 APG
  137. Manu Ginobili – 2x All-Star, 4x Champion – 13.3 PPG / 3.5 RPG / 3.8 APG
  138. Jamaal Wilkes “Silk” – 3x All-Star, 4x Champion – 17.7 PPG / 6.2 RPG / 2.5 APG
  139. Rajon Rondo – 1x Champion, 4x Assist leader – 10.2 PPG / 4.7 RPG / 8.3 APG
  140. Tom Chambers – 4x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 18.1 PPG / 6.1 RPG / 2.1 APG
  141. Ed Macauley – 7x All-Star, 4x All-NBA – 17.5 PPG / 7.5 RPG / 3.2 APG
  142. Vern Mikkelsen – 4x All-NBA, 4x Champion – 14.4 PPG / 9.4 RPG / 2.2 APG
  143. Bob Davies – 5x All-NBA, 1x Champion – 14.3 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 4.9 APG
  144. Bill Laimbeer – 4x All-Star, 2x Champion – 12.9 PPG / 9.7 RPG / 2.0 APG
  145. Shawn Marion “The Matrix” – 4x All-Star, 1x Champion – 15.2 PPG / 8.7 RPG / 1.9 APG
  146. Mark Aguirre – 3x All-Star, 2x Champion – 20.0 PPG / 5.0 RPG / 3.1 APG
  147. George Yardley – 6x All-Star, 1x Scoring leader – 19.2 PPG / 8.9 RPG / 1.7 APG
  148. Paul Westphal – 5x All-Star, 4x All-NBA – 15.6 PPG / 1.9 RPG / 4.4 APG
  149. Charlie Scott – 4x All-Star, 1x Champion – 20.7 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.9 APG
  150. Yao Ming – 8x All-Star, 2x All-NBA – 19.0 PPG / 9.2 RPG / 1.6 APG
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Who is a better basketball player: LeBron James or Kobe Bryant?

Lebron James.

It’s honestly not even close. It someone irks me that so many casual fans and die hard Laker fans still want to keep Kobe in the GOAT discussion, but Kobe just isn’t in that discussion.

Let’s go over the reasons why Lebron is better:

  1. Lebron has more awards. Lebron has more MVPs, FMVPs, a ROTY, more All-NBA selections and he’s only 2 All-Star selections away from Kobe as well. The FMVPs especially matter since Kobe was not the best player on 3 of his championship teams while Lebron was the best player on all 4 of his.
  2. Lebron beats Kobe statistically in every category except for FT% (which lets be honest, Kobe has an advantage as a guard). Lebron beats Kobe in total points, total rebounds, total assists, total blocks, total steals, PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, FG%, TS%, Win shares, PER etc whatever stat you name. Lebron is ahead of Kobe in.

Those are the two main reasons why Lebron is better than Kobe, and those two reasons should be good enough for most people, but Kobe fans aren’t most people, I know there’s these ‘intangibles’ that people will argue for Kobe over Lebron on, so I’ll address some Kobe fan’s remarks here:

“Kobe should be in the GOAT convo, put some respect on the Mamba!”

Sorry, he’s not. He’s about the same level as Hakeem, and Hakeem is never mentioned in the GOAT convo. Also, Kareem, Duncan, Bird and Magic are all ahead of Kobe and never mentioned in the GOAT convo and I don’t hear their fans complaining.

“Kobe is more loyal than Lebron. Lebron always jumps teams to chase championships and Kobe bled purple and gold”

Well, that’s not true. There’s multiple instances where Kobe requested a trade from the Lakers.

Kobe Bryant confirms he wanted trade in 2007 to the Chicago Bulls

Phil Jackson Says Kobe Bryant Requested Trade from Lakers During 1999-00 Season

At the time Kobe had a bad squad and wanted out of LA. So it’s a misconception that Kobe was a die hard Laker.

“Kobe is more clutch than Lebron and has more killer instinct”

First of all what is killer instinct anyways? Is it always taking the last shot? Because Kobe factually is not as clutch as Lebron is.

Kobe might be the least clutch player in the NBA

The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time

Disproving Five Myths about Kobe Bryant | Def Pen

LeBron James Clutch Stats vs Kobe Bryant Clutch Stats – The Ball Zone

LeBron is More Clutch Than Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant

LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation

These are just some of the numerous stats that prove that Lebron is actually more clutch than Kobe is. Kobe’s clutch reputation is mostly based on myth more so than fact.

Kobe has never had any playoff moments as memorable as Lebron scoring the last 29 out of 30 points against Detroit in 2007, or that chasedown block against Iggy in the 2016 Finals. People seem to assume Kobe is more clutch based on the fact that Kobe is very aggressive and eager to shoot the last shot, whereas Lebron tries to make the right basketball play. However, they don’t seem to understand that taking the last shot regardless of basketball position usually leads to missed baskets, which has happened with Kobe far more often than he has made those baskets.

“Kobe never needed a superteam to win”

Well, first of all – if you have prime Shaq do you really need a bunch of lesser HoFers on your team? The team is already good just having prime Shaq as a teammate right? Later on in Kobe’s career, he had to have exactly the right team built around him win. Namely, a team full of players who are excellent rebounders and without big egos to clash with Kobe. Oh and it has to be a triangle offense system too because Kobe would never pass the ball to anyone else.

Also the statement is factually untrue because the 2004 Lakers and 2013 Lakers by the definition of having more than 2 HoFers on the team, can be called a ‘superteam’, it’s just that they weren’t successful, because most superteams are not successful. 1997 Rockets, 2020 Clippers are two other examples. Turns out Lebron is quite the exception since he elevates everyone else around him. Even Rondo and Dwight who people wrote off before this year started, became champions when they played with Lebron. Don’t think that would have happened with Kobe (because we know it didnt work with Kobe, twice).

And plus let’s look at Kobe’s Finals opponents – 2000 Pacers, 2001 76ers, 2002 Nets, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics. The only one out of that group that can be considered even remotely challenging is the 2010 Celtics – and that group could be considered just as old as the 2014 Spurs everyone makes fun of Lebron for losing against, age-wise.

Lebron’s best teammate was 2011 DWade, then 2020 Anthony Davis. Wade would decline after 2012. Kyrie was not on the same level, and Love and Bosh just weren’t as good as people like to think. Plus look at Lebron’s Finals opponents – the only ‘easy’ one was the 2020 Heat. Kobe has never had to face a team as hard as the 2015–2019 Warriors, or the 2013–2014 Spurs.

“Kobe never had a Finals game as bad as Lebron did in 2011”

Kobe has had multiple Finals games arguably worse than Lebron’s 2011 Finals performance.

2000 Finals, Game 5 – Kobe had 8 points. Everyone who makes fun of Lebron’s 8 points in the 2011 Finals – well Kobe matched that here and no one ever brings this up. Kobe also averaged 15 PPG this series – lower than Lebron’s 17 PPG in 2011.

2004 Finals – Kobe shot 38% for the entire series. Including only 11 points on 31% in Game 3. Lebron has never had a Finals series that inefficient. Oh BTW – Kobe had 4 HoFers on that team and lost to a team with one all star. I really think the 2004 Finals was just as much an upset as the 2011 Finals.

2008 Finals, Game 4 – Kobe got 17 points on 31% shooting. That’s pretty awful.

2010 Finals, Game 7 – Kobe shot 6 for 24 that game. If it wasn’t for Gasol and Artest with some key moment plays that game, it would have ended in a loss.

“Lebron dropped the ball in 2009 to meet Kobe in the Finals”

This one irks me a lot because was Lebron supposed to make the Finals with his second best player being Mo Williams? That team was high in the regular season sure, but it wasn’t built for the playoffs. It was basically carried by Lebron. That he lost to Dwight Howard in 2009 wasn’t anything to be ashamed of. Dwight Howard was really really good in 2009 – people forget.

Also I think the more important question I have is why is Lebron being blamed for 2009 when Kobe had a chance to meet Lebron in 2011 and dropped the ball there and that never gets mentioned?
People always trash Lebron for losing to the 2011 Mavericks but Kobe lost to the exact same team as the defending champs – and got swept by them no less! And if you want to bring up Jason Terry’s stats against Lebron, you really should bring up the fact that Kobe and Terry were actually guarding each other – cause they actually played the same position! Lebron didn’t directly guard Terry, they played different positions.

“Lebron always takes credit when he wins, and blames others when he loses. He’s a toxic teammate. Kobe is a better leader.”

This one is possibly the most untrue of them all. Lebron has never ever blamed any teammates, no matter how badly they performed. And Lebron’s teammates have been just as bad as Kobe’s. Don’t let Kobe fans tell you that Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were the worst players in NBA history. They were not.

From 2003–2008, Lebron’s best teammate was Zyndrunas Ilgauskas. He took the 2007 team all the way to the Finals.

From 2009–2010, Lebron’s best teammate was Mo Williams. He won 66 games in the regular season with him as the second best player.

Kobe’s team was bad, but his second best teammate was Lamar Odom. Odom is better than either Zydrunas or Mo Williams, I’m sure anyone will tell you that. Odom was a very capable player, it’s just that Kobe fans want to focus on Smush and Kwame, well did you know Lebron played with guys like Daniel Gibson and Eric Snow? Arguably just as bad as Smush and Kwame.

Kobe’s best performance with that team was when he went up 3–1 against the Suns in 2006 in the first round, but then inexplicably stopped shooting the ball in the Game 7. Kobe fans tell me it was to ‘spite Phil Jackson’ but there’s no excuse for acting that way in any game. The only comparable times was when Rick Barry stopped shooting in Game 7 against the Suns in 1976 because his teammates didn’t back him in the fight, and when Pippen got angry at Phil for a play drawn up for Toni Kukoc in the 1994 series against the Knicks. Lebron has had no such temper tantrums.

Plus – Kobe’s fans often say he was robbed of MVP that year. Well, if you can’t make it past the first round, if you can’t elevate your teammates that much, how much of an MVP can you be right? And it’s reflected in the voting – Kobe was not on the MVP ballot in 2005 (no it was not related to the rape case, it was because he missed the playoffs), and in 2006 he was 4th place in MVP voting. So much for being robbed by Steve Nash. Lebron on the other hand took his pitiful teammates all the way to the Finals. That’s the difference.

Also, people like to talk about Lebron missing the playoffs in 2019 despite tearing his groin. Kobe missed the playoffs in the middle of his prime. It’s not like his teammates were any worse than Lebron’s teammates in 2019. Explain that.

In addition, Kobe has infamously cursed out his teammates and trashed talked them in various interviews.

Kobe explains why he and Howard never got along

Kobe Bryant blames Pau Gasol for Lakers’ Game 4 collapse against Thunder

Kobe Bryant calls ex-teammate Smush Parker ‘the worst,’ jokingly chides the Lakers for letting him ‘walk on’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjeRZY2Uhg

Lebron has never ever trashed his teammates publicly. Even when his teammates had a brain fart, like JR Smith did in 2018 Finals Game 1, or Markieff Morris in 2020 Finals Game 5. Kobe would have trashed them and ruined their careers. Instead, we have seen JR Smith welcomed back by Lebron and winning another ring, and Dwight’s career have a resurgence with Lebron.

There’s a reason why Lebron is able to ‘recruit’ other players to play with him – it’s because everyone wants to play with him! From AD to Rondo to Danny Green to McGee to Demarcus to former rivals like Lance Stephenson – they all want to come to LA to play with Lebron! In contrast – due to both Kobe’s personality and the fact that he had signed a huge contract with the Lakers post-injury depriving them of any cap space – the Lakers had been unable to acquire any big name free agents for 5 years after Kobe came back from injury.

There seems to be a double standard with Kobe and Lebron. Anything Kobe does that is arrogant or ego-tistic is played off by Kobe fans as being ‘alpha’ or having ‘mamba mentality’ whereas if Lebron had acted the exact same way he would be called ‘arrogant’ and ‘prima donna’.

Lebron called himself the GOAT you say? What an egotistical prima-donna.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCtJ-tdA5o

Kobe Bryant labelled himself the greatest of all time, ahead of Michael Jordan and LeBron – Republic World

^ Kobe called himself the same thing? It’s ok, we’ll brush it off because it’s Kobe.

All this is to conclude that I think Kobe’s negative traits and aspects get downplayed or brushed off by Kobe fans. He never ever gets the blame, meanwhile his fans always blame Kobe’s teammates instead. Dwight Howard was soft. Steve Nash was past his prime. Malone and Payton was past their prime. Shaq wasn’t in shape. Smush and Kwame were the worst players of all time. Kobe was just trying to teach Phil Jackson a lesson. Kobe was being tough on his teammates to toughen them up. Whenever Kobe wins a ring, it’s all him. 5 rings that’s all Kobe’s. Kobe carried the 2009–2010 teams. The rest of that team were scrubs.

Meanwhile for Lebron, it’s the opposite. He always gets the blame, his teammates never get any blame. Missed the playoffs? All because Lebron couldn’t elevate his teammates. Lost in the Finals? Because Lebron choked. Who cares if his teammates were injured, it was all Lebron’s fault. Won a championship? Well he needed help to win. He had a stacked team. He recruited too many superstars. His Finals path was too easy. He shouldn’t have passed the ball to Danny Green, he was too ‘scared’ of the moment. Kobe would never have done that. Also, Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving saved his legacy. Derek Fisher and Robert Horry’s shots? pretend it never happened. Kobe never needed anybody else taking the last shots. Of course not.

See what I mean?

Anyways, all this is to show that 1) Lebron is definitely better than Kobe and 2) Kobe fans are delusional and overrate the man quite a bit

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Questions about the selection of Classic Teams in NBA 2K

Me and my friend who love NBA history have a few questions about the selections of the classic teams in NBA 2K and since the classic teams have mostly stayed the same for the past few years this applies to previous editions of NBA 2K as well as 2K21:

Biggest complaint is why is there so few 1950s/1960s/1970s classic teams?

-1967 76ers (one of the greatest teams ever) has never been represented in 2K
-1967 runner up Golden State Warriors (Rick Barry, Nate Thurmond) also would have been nice
-1960 Celtics with arguably a better roster than the 1965 version, never been represented in 2K
-1960s Cincinnati Royals team with prime Oscar Robertson and Jerry Lucas would have been nice
-No 1950s teams (no Mikan, Schayes, Pettit, Arizin led teams etc) have ever been represented in 2K
-None of the 1970s championship Celtics team (led by Hondo and Cowens) has ever been represented in 2K.
-None of the Unseld led 1970s Bullets teams which went to 4 Finals in the 70s have ever been represented in 2K
-A 1970s Bulls team (with Bob Love, Jerry Sloan, Norm Van Lier etc) would have been nice
-A 1970s Suns team (Connie Hawkins, Paul Westphal, Walter Davis etc) would have been nice
-1970s Sonics team (Jack Sikma, Dennis Johnson, Gus Williams etc)
-1977 Blazers (Bill Walton, Maurice Lucas etc) – especially odd since the runner up 1977 76ers is always included
-NO ABA teams are represented. ABA is part of NBA history (they merged) so I think ABA teams should get some representation. Plus when you have Euroleague and WNBA teams on here I think definitely historical ABA teams deserve a fair shake considering it’s actually part of the NBA. I think one of the 1970s Pacers teams that’s part of that dynasty (Mel Daniels, Roger Brown, Freddie Lewis, George McGinnis) should be represented. Also that powerhouse 1975 Kentucky Colonels team (Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel) should be on here. And a 1970s Nets team as well led by Dr J. They deserve to be on here they were part of NBA history.
Then, some questions about the existing classic teams
-Why the 1985 Bucks and not the 1983 version with Marques Johnson added?
-Why so many non championship Chicago Bulls teams? Is there that many people that want to play as rookie MJ?
-Why is the 1998 Spurs on here but not the championship 1999 version?
-Why is the 1998 Lakers on here but not the championship 2000 version?
-Why is the 1994 Nuggets on here but not the arguably more fun to play 1988 version with Alex English and Fat Lever? or the post ABA 1977 version with Dan Issel, David Thompson, Mack Calvin and Bobby Jones? That was a loaded Nuggets team.
-Where is the 1983 76ers (Dr J, Moses)??? Or any 80s version of the 76ers? That team went to 3 Finals in that decade! I remember they used to have the 1985 version because they thought they could get Charles Barkley in but they couldn’t and went with the watered down version of that team, but that’s at least betting than omitting that team entirely!
-Odd selection of teams. what’s so special about the 2014 Pacers, 2013 Grizzlies, 2007 Wizards, 1995 Knicks, 2003 Mavs, 2010 Blazers, 2003 Suns?

It’s especially odd when you consider they have most of the players to construct these classic teams, they are all in the all-time team versions, but for those of us who want to play with the actual classic team, we have to make a custom roster and we still miss most of the role players that played there. So it’s not the same. Just a huge head scratcher.

It’s weird that a lot non championship, non Finals teams are on here but a huge chunk of the 50s/60s/70s championship teams are missing.

If you were to ask me the top 5 teams I would most want to add to the NBA 2K roster here are my picks:

  1. 1983 76ers

  2. 1967 76ers

  3. 1972 Pacers

  4. 1974 Celtics

  5. 1977 Blazers

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Rick Barry is probably the most underrated SF ever

Why is Rick Barry seemingly so forgotten by modern NBA fans and analysts?

Whenever a list of the top SFs all time get mentioned, inevitably there’s Lebron and Bird, Dr J, KD and Pippen get mentioned, and sometimes Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins and even Paul Pierce get thrown in.
..but what about Rick Barry?
 
For people who don’t know how much of a statistical beast Rick was, his playoff stats were monstrous:
 
1967 playoffs – 34.7 PPG / 7.5 RPG / 3.9 APG
1970 playoffs – 40.1 PPG / 10.0 RPG / 3.3 APG
1971 playoffs – 33.7 PPG / 11.7 RPG / 4.0 APG
1972 playoffs – 30.8 PPG / 6.5 RPG / 3.8 APG
1975 playoffs – 28.2 PPG / 5.5 RPG / 6.1 APG
1976 playoffs – 24.0 PPG / 6.5 RPG / 6.5 APG
1977 playoffs – 28.4 PPG / 5.9 RPG / 4.7 APG
 
He’s one of only 4 players to ever win a ring without another all star on his team (the others are Ben Wallace, Hakeem Olajuwon and Dirk Nowitzki)
 
He’s the only player to ever lead the NCAA, ABA AND NBA in scoring
 
He was the first SF that you could call a ‘point forward’ due to his passing ability
 
He had the highest FT% in history at the time he retired
 
“He was Larry Bird before Larry Bird” is what many fans who watched him play said about him
 
He has the highest scoring Finals Average of all time at 36 PPG, even beating out Michael Jordan’s 33 PPG
 
He has over 25k career points if you include his ABA stats
(which the NBA should and is baffling that they don’t because you know, they merged so ABA history should be part of NBA history)
 
He had “mamba mentality” way before Jordan/Kobe made it popular; He would never shy away from shooting a shot, he was psychologically competitive and he was tough on his teammates. The problem was, back in the 1970s this type of mentality was widely disliked and hence he was probably robbed of a few MVPs (which were voted on by players back then). Now, ironically we praise players with this kind of mentality.
 
Head to Head matchups versus other SF greats of the time:
 
Rick Barry vs Elgin Baylor
Barry – 28.2 / 9.8 / 3.1 / 44% FG%
Baylor – 19.4 / 9.5 / 2.4 / 42% FG%
 
Rick Barry vs Connie Hawkins
Barry – 23.4 / 6.9 / 5.7 / 45% FG%
Hawkins – 15.0 / 7.1 / 4.7 / 50% FG%
 
Rick Barry vs Billy Cunningham
Barry – 29.5 / 7.4 / 3.2 / 44% FG%
Cunningham – 16.5 / 9.6 / 3.5 / 44% FG%
 
Rick Barry vs Gus Johnson
Barry – 32.1 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
Gus – 19.4 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
 
Rick Barry vs Roger Brown
Barry – 28.5 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups Brown – 21.4 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
 
Rick Barry vs Julius Erving
Barry – 24.7 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
Dr J – 26.6 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
 
Rick Barry vs John Havlicek
Barry – 28.1 / 8.4 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups Hondo – 22 / 5.7 / cant find other stats on their h2h matchups
 
Rick Barry vs Chet Walker
Barry – 27.2 / 8.1 / 3.7 / 45% FG%
Chet – 20.1 / 6.5 / 2.8 / 49% FG%
 
So as you can see, Barry basically destroyed every other SF of his era – the only exception being Dr J (who was younger than Barry)
 
How could a player so dominant at his position be routinely left out in conversations? SLAM magazine left him out of their all time SF mount rushmore candidates – but inexplicably put Carmelo Anthony and Paul Pierce there. ESPN left him out of their all time Warriors starting lineup, instead putting in Draymond Green over him. TNT’s 2011 All-Star Fantasy Draft where 6 analysts drafted 10 players each – Barry was not picked.
 
It’s inexplicable to me that Rick Barry is mostly forgotten and even if he is remembered, mostly remembered for his granny style free throw shot and him being a racist commentator. When I went to watch the Warriors games, I was the only one wearing a Rick Barry jersey. Sometimes I even saw Mullin jerseys – but never Barry jerseys (or Thurmond jerseys for that matter). And that’s kind of sad because not only should his dominance as a player be remembered, but he’s one of the few players back then who would thrive in today’s game with his ultra competitiveness, his point forward skills, his complete game (post, interior, perimeter) and his long range shooting.
Thoughts? I think he’s one of my top 2 most underrated players of all time along with Artis Gilmore.